It seems to me that Republicans and the Christian Nationalists they are in bed with are going to be immovably pro-Israel. How do we prevent our government from participating in this genocide as these new politicians take power?
Lol.
Too late.
Palestine will cease to exist.
Why?
Because Donald Trump only helps those who he can directly benefit from. Palestine cannot benefit him. Israel can.
If you want to help Palestine, build a time machine, go back in time, and tell every liberal/independent fool who voted 3rd party or abstained from voting over the whole Palestine thing to do the smart thing instead.
Elections have consequences, and every last American is about to find that out the real hard way.
If got time machine, go back and stop all religion from forming, problem solved atheist utopia
I would go back further. 400,000 years back, with weapons to eradicate the human species. We are anathema to this planet’s other life. Humans are a toxic disease.
But then neanderthal gets evolve and world problems happen anyway with other hominid in charge.
Maybe we go back to dino
Go back and smack that fucking fish with a rock, as soon as it tries to leave the ocean.
I could have been a fucking shark you little asshole
Palestine will cease to exist.
You mean Israel has been trying, and failing, to do since 1948?
You sure do give white supremacists a lot of credit, don’t you?
You mean Israel has been trying, and failing, to do since 1948?
Have they tried as hard as they’re trying right now? Did they have someone named Donald Trump who was interested in helping them, or at least entirely getting out of their way while they do it, instead of putting up some form of resistance to the idea of them wiping Palestine out?
You sure do give white supremacists a lot of credit, don’t you?
I wouldn’t call it credit. I’d call it reading a history book and undestanding how far white supremacists are willing to go when given enough power.
Have they tried as hard as they’re trying right now?
Nope. They have never been this desperate.
Did they have someone named Donald Trump who was interested in helping them
The (so-called) “west” has been interested in helping them since 1948. That’s why they have the kind of firepower now they could only have dreamt of in 1948 - and they are failing nonetheless.
or at least entirely getting out of their way
The US isn’t standing in their way. Palestinians with RPG-7s are standing in their way.
white supremacists are willing to go when given enough power.
White supremacism gave itself all the power it wanted all over the world. And yet, despite this power, one by one the colonialist chickens was forced to come home to roost after the failure of white supremacism to remain dominant in the colonized world. It’s now the US’s turn to experience that failure.
The US isn’t standing in their way. Palestinians with RPG-7s are standing in their way.
If you think Palestine is going to survive for much longer, then you have an optimism I can only dream of. Even if Trump simply stands out of the way. Which is unlikely, because Donald Trump only helps those who can benefit him and Israel can benefit him. So expect more of our BOOM BOOMs to end up there in the near future.
Palestine is done.
one by one the colonialist chickens was forced to come home to roost after the failure of white supremacism
Yes, and the last time they got REAL power it took millions of lives and an unquantifiable amount of money/resources to put them back down.
If you think Palestine is going to survive for much longer,
The literal ex-commander of the Gaza division doesn’t share your denialism. about Israel’s chances.
Like I said… you give white supremacism a lot of credit.
So expect more of our BOOM BOOMs
You mean the ones that are already there?
Yes, and the last time they got REAL power it took millions of lives
Oh no… they were costing millions of lives looooong before Mussolini gave it a name. And western liberal society was perfectly fine with it both before and after as long as it remained in the colonized world.
It’s almost as if liberalism simply accepts that a bit of fascism every now and then is simply the cost of doing business.
The literal ex-commander of the Gaza division doesn’t share your denialism. about Israel’s chances.
Gonna need more than the opinion of an ex-commander. I’ve heard a lot of ex-military say things. Look at Michael Flynn. Not exactly an icon of honesty and trustworthyness.
Like I said… you give white supremacism a lot of credit.
That’s because history has taught me to be very, very concerned with the capabilities of organized white supremacism.
It’s almost as if liberalism simply accepts that a bit of fascism every now and then is simply the cost of doing business.
This seems like an emotional opinion.
Look at Michael Flynn.
So, you chose an example from another country that also cannot win it’s wars despite an overwhelming technological and logistical advantage over it’s victims?
The Palestinians doesn’t seem to have any problems trusting theirs. I wonder why?
That’s because history
History is not an excuse to assign white supremacism any kind of “superiority.”
This seems like an emotional opinion.
Really? I find it funny that a person that claims to base their opinion on history doesn’t seem to understand the intimate link between liberalism and fascism.
I feel even worse since I did vote for Harris, although live in a red ass state so it doesn’t amount to much (hopefully I’ll move out next year).
I definitely recommend getting out while you can. Move somewhere that affords you more rights and has a stronger economy.
I can’t afford to move to another country though (neither can most Americans), so I can only move to a state that isn’t red. As much as I’ll still have to deal with President Trump, at least a non-Republican state would try to mitigate/fight back in ways
I’m planning to move to Puerto Rico, which unlike every other state/territory in the country, its party system does not align with the national one (similar to Quebec in Canada), but more politicians there are nationally affiliated with Democrats than with Republicans, and from what I know, while Trump enjoys support among a chunk of stateside Puerto Ricans much like other Hispanics, Trump isn’t very popular there considering he neglected them after Hurricane Maria and tried to sell it, as well as the more recent “island of garbage” shenanigans
Vote Harris… Wait. Damnit.
Too late bud
Israel’s extermination campaign is already underway with full support from the Democrats. Harris wouldn’t have saved the Palestinians.
Don’t tell the liberals that. If you spook them now, they might start “reaching across the aisle” today instead of next week.
Kid, you should try reading things by actual, paid journalists, who aren’t just contributors to free online “news” sources.
Or good books.
You should read a few good books as well. Might I suggest:
On Palestine by Noam Chomsky, Ilan Pappé, and Frank Barat
The Message by Ta-Nehisi Coates
A Dying Colonialism by Frantz Fanon
Manufacturing Consent by Noam Chomsky and Edward S. Herman
Actual journalists like Mehdi Hasan at Zeteo and Amy Goodman at Democracy Now! are doing excellent work on this issue.
Manufacturing consent is one of my favourites!
Don’t tell other people to read anything when it’s perfectly clear you don’t know what the fuck you are gibbering about.
I’m not a kid and I’m not wrong in saying the genocide is currently underway with full support of the Biden administration and the overall Democratic party.
Both claims are debatable.
Do you think things won’t get worse under trump? Or do you think some 50,000 dead a year is the worst Israel can do?
The claim that Isrsel is currently performing a genocide on the Palestinians is not debatable. They have cut off the entirety of Northern Gaza and started executing everyone they see on site. They besieged the only remaining hospital there several times and imprisoned all but a couple of the staff. They are deliberately trying to starve the population and even went so far as banning the UNRWA, which is the only agency capable of keeping the Palestinians alive. And do you think that once they finish there they’ll stop? They will continue with the rest of Gaza once they are done. They’ve even started attacking and demolishing homes in the West Bank as well. And they’re trying to invade Lebanon as well like they have tried to in the past.
Saying things will get worse under Trump is pointless. The genocide is underway, and it’s been blessed by the Biden administration as well as the Democratic party. Harris has made it clear she doesn’t plan on deviating from this course. So I stand by previous statement, Harris would not have saved them. Either one as president, the Palestinians die.
That’s a wildly privileged set of statements. Declaring that a bad thing id happening and it doesn’t matter if it gets worse, goddamn kid.
It’s privilege to say “Trust me it can get worse even as an extermination campaign is underway and other countries are being invaded”.
The escalations that are coming in the next few months would have happened with Harris as well. Both political parties have made it abundantly clear that Israel can do whatever it wants. There are no red lines for them.
That wouldn’t have helped this situation EDIT: I voted Harris, but if you think she would have changed course away from pro genocide once elected you are insane. She has been second in command of the genocide for a year. She made very clear statements of total support for Israel. She was confronted by the left to change course and she told them to go fuck themselves.
Do you really think that Kamala Harris and Donald Trump would be equally bad on this issue? Why?
Because supporting that genocidal white supremacist colonialist project is US POLICY.
You can’t get worse than the Biden Harris stance. And there is no way Donald Trump is going to be better. So yeah equally bad.
Why don’t you save this comment and revisit it in a year.
This is so fucking naive and ahistoric. Read a fucking book.
I’ve been reading books about the region for about 20 years. Where have you been? There is no difference between the parties when it comes to that conflict. They have other differences but not about Israel Palestine. Israel is the major Middle East foothold for American empire and policy has been consistent there for 50 years. Biden/Harris are currently committing genocide there, escalating the terror there to the worst levels in the history of the conflict. It does not get worse than genocide, nothing republicans can do is worse than genocide, there are hundreds of thousands dead. Fuck Harris, Biden, and Trump for this. Don’t come to a thread about what to do about ending the genocide and defend a comment that says voting for Harris (SECOND IN COMMAND OF SAID GENOCIDE) would have stopped it.
You absolutely can. You can send the US military directly in to finish the job. Or private military contractors. Or stop giving what aid is currently being sent. What doctors are currently there. It can and will get worse with direct involvement.
You can send the US military directly in to finish the job.
You want the US to lose another war?
You absolutely can get worse than Biden Harris stance. Just watch.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-israel-gaza-finish-problem-rcna141905
https://apnews.com/article/trump-biden-israel-pr-hugh-hewitt-21faee332d95fec99652c112fbdcd35d
Equally bad, you say?
Well, you’re clearly a very bad judge.
Oh but you can haha, you really really can. It’s cute and naive that you thought it couldn’t get worse
Lol, I keep joking to people that my side is dumb enough to believe the two are equal on that and every day one of y’all proves me right.
Pray. That’s all you have left.
You think he will ever listen to you even if you demonstrate?
You’re going to enjoy a medieval monarchy, and more than half of the country either wants it or can’t be bothered with it because they have better things to do.
You’re going to enjoy a medieval monarchy
Yup. Average Americans are going to lose so much of what little power we had over the next handful of years. Hope we’re all happy we chose this for ourselves.
You know, Republicans have long been the “thoughts and prayer” party. Are you saying that we have now become the COUNTRY of “thoughts and prayers”? Dammit all.
You’re wrong about the medieval monarchy part. The US is about to become Nazi Germany.
Nuh uh man. I’ll have you know America has its own proud history of racism. This will be our distinctly American flavor of nazism, replete with cowboy hats and an aww shucks attitude
Doomerism helps no one. There are always things you can do, even if they’re small.
Doomerism doesn’t help, but doom is what we’ve chosen.
We gleefully voted for it, in fact.
Time to suffer.
You do that, I’ll be doing what I can.
Such as?
I had an entire list in a comment on this very post.
You’ve said things yes, but not how to do those things (some of which are plainly impossible) or how those things will help (none of those things will actually help). Doing useless stuff just to feel like you tried isn’t actually helping anyone. Israel is going to kill a lot of people and finish multiple genocides and there isn’t a damned thing anyone can do about it.
I applaud you. Have fun attempting to turn the majority of Americans into responsible, educated voters. Especially while Republicans, who now control our government in its entirety, work to dismantle our public education system, which they literally ran on doing.
Here comes that doomerism…it’s over. We had a chance, and we completely dropped the ball. You don’t have to believe me when I say we’re in for long-term decline, just remember that some guy on Lemmy told you a handful of years from now when the decline is obvious and it’s clear that there’s no end in sight.
This was a pivotal moment in U.S. history, and we failed the test.
There’s doomerism and there is reality.
This is reality and it’s bad. It isn’t a maybe it will be fine maybe it won’t situation. Trump has promised wealthy powerful people a lot of stuff to get him into power. And they put him into power specifically to do that stuff. They have plainly said exactly what they are going to do, laid out an agenda and promised to follow it as best they can. The final hurdle was the election, which even if it went a bit bad for them could have still worked with lawsuits about voter fraud or plain insurrection. But it didn’t went bad for them, it was a major victory. They couldn’t have dreamt of a better outcome. There are no more hurdles, no more barriers, no more limits. At this point it’s denial to think they aren’t going to do what they set out to do.
I feel there are things we can do for our own mental health and maybe the people around us. But as for the big picture, it’s done, it’s over. We’ve seen first hand what happens if this kind of thing goes down in a country and the outcome is always the same.
Then I’ll go down fighting.
The fight is over mate, we lost
Excessive optimism reduces pressure on making things better
Saying there’s no way to make things better also reduces pressure on making things better.
Sorry to break it to you, but you can’t.
There are a few remaining checks and balances on other issues, and the Democratic Party might be able to use its minority in Congress to strategically delay certain things. But foreign policy is entirely in the President and Congress’s domain. And while Republicans in Congress sometimes have internal bickering that derails their agenda, I expect Trump and Congress to march lock-step on this one. (Their marching might even be a bit like a goose step, come to think of it.)
this genocide is The conclusion of a 50-year crusade by the Israelis, and Trump said he’s fully on board with Netanyahu finishing his attack on Palestine.
and dumps is going to be in charge of The US military in a couple months.
so there isn’t much you can do
this will be one more concluded genocide in the books.
There are none. This is game over for Palestinians, Ukranians, and 99% of Americans. Mango Hitler controls all branches of the government, and every check and balance has been removed.
Even if there was evidence of massive voter fraud on Trump’s part, it wouldn’t matter. Anyone who could do anything about it is on his team.
The US democracy is dead.
It’s probably worth asking “what are the next steps for citizens of Portugal to stop the destruction of Palestine?”
Or Honduras or Australia or South Korea or Madagascar.
Because it’s now the same answer. You can do whatever you as a private citizen can do. Our friend’s dad travelled to Palestine and rode in on a boat loaded with construction supplies, sort of “throwing his body” in the path of the IDF to directly physically help Palestinians (he’s Jewish, btw).
Of course this was before this full scale war. I wouldn’t recommend this action now. Send money to aid groups. Whatever you could do from the suburbs of Cartegena, that’s what you can do as an American.
You can’t do anything about the policy from the top now. That’s a sealed envelope.
I am stealing someone else’s idea (can’t remember whose), but just make non-stop memes about Trump being Netanyahu’s pet, and let the narcissism run wild. If everyone one on social media was sharing memes about Trump being Netanyahu’s bitch especially after Netanyahu said Biden was better than Trump, I believe there would be ton of budget cuts to Israel.
pet
In a subby gimp plaything kind of way.
We don’t? We lost. I’m going to go back to huddling in the corner.
the best time to get educated about what a fascist american government looks like is 20-25 years ago. the second best time is… wait, too late
Convince a fuckton of electors to go rogue and vote Harris in January. Of course you’d have a better chance at winning the lottery than that
Be billionaire and outbid Netanyahu
Keep blocking shipments of arms, figure out how to dismantle AIPAC, boost the voices of Palestinians and anti-Zionist Jews, follow BDS, donate to organizations like Palestinian Children’s Relief and the Palestine Red Crescent Society as well as individual families at gazafunds.com.
On the arms shipments, we may try lawsuits via the Leahy Law if the ethnic cleansing ramps up. The way the law is written, it actually looks at arms shipments all the way down to the granular level of individual military units. It does not say arms cannot be exported to countries engaging in war crimes, it specifically says individual military units that commit war crimes cannot receive arms. If they choose to engage in a broader campaign of organized displacement out of Gaza or starvation in places where combat has largely died down, a larger number of military units could potentially become implicated, which could maybe make a lawsuit more feasible. We’ll have to see.
Regarding AIPAC, since Citizen’s United determined that monetary donations are a form of speech, this requires either an amendment or recapture of the Supreme Court. Otherwise Americans are allowed to lobby the government for whatever they wish, even if they are doing so at the behest of a foreign government. They have to disclose that, but so long as they do, they are simply exercising their Constitutional rights as perceived by the current Supreme Court. This isn’t going away any time soon, the current law is very clear and pretty much ironclad, rooted in the Constitution itself via the Bill of Rights.
if the ethnic cleansing ramps up
I guess I don’t want to see what qualifies as “ramped up” if the current state of affairs is anything to go by. (Loud whisper: Because it’s already up.)
There’s around 2 million Gazans still alive. That’s a lot of ethnicity still to be cleansed if cleansing is the goal.
How can a regular person block shipments of arms or dismantle AIPAC? That’s not possible.
What does boosting voices of soon to be dead people do to stop them from dying? What does organizing or donating do?
Trump has promised Israel everything they need, no questions asked, no limits. And they already have so much, they don’t really need a lot more. They can already destroy Palestine, they can already destroy parts of Iran and Lebanon. They just need the extra stuff and funds to do it quicker and destroy more of those countries.
And don’t think for a second Trump and their cronies won’t block any money flow from the US to anywhere near there and divert it to Israel instead. And block organizations in the US from doing anything. Israel is already blocking aid for Palestine even from organizations like the Red Cross. What are small organizations going to do?
Plus the time to act has come and gone. Time is up, this is going to happen within months. We can’t organize, lobby for policy change, set up aid and demonstrations. It’s done, there is a deadline and that means death for a whole lot of people.
All we can do at this point is look with shock and horror as the far right grips the world and destroys a lot of the things we hold dear.
Hey, come on, the question was meant seriously, but not that seriously
Yeah better do what you can within the next two months.
How do we prevent our government
It’s really simple. You start getting your head around the idea of actually OPPOSING your own government.
Don’t pretend you don’t know how to do this. Antifa and BLM have already shown you how to do this.
Sabotage Democratic outreach and voter engagement efforts right?
