And no, I don’t mean, the supposed “Playful Bullying” (that will upset me too, same with being teased), or being even lightly prodded.

The other day, I was questioned on whether I “actually am a leftist”, by a friend. After I nervously answered fairly basic questions such as believing in healthcare and collective labor, they weren’t convinced. Ever since that day, I felt like I couldn’t be a leftist, especially since I lost any confidence in my ability to be “better” according to that person’s standards. If I couldn’t satisfy their standards that one time, what would be the point of trying to read theory and trying again? Yes I admit, I haven’t tried to read theory. I have no confidence that I would do it correctly.

So, I was already completely lacking in confidence in actually being a good enough leftist. But after that incident where I was bullied and picked on, even for a few minutes… Something in me gave up trying to keep up with the people on this website. It also made me fear and lose confidence in trying, for fear that I would encounter other “Secret Tests of Character” like that.

I feel as though in terms of personality, I am too quiet, too shy, and I have too little to say or contribute anyways, to feel at home here. It feels as though speaking the loudest and having lots to say is what matters the most here, and that is something I cannot do.

So, given that everyone insists “read theory”, which I haven’t been able to, does this mean I am not at the standards I seem to see here?

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    The other day, I was questioned on whether I “actually am a leftist”, by a friend. After I nervously answered fairly basic questions such as believing in healthcare and collective labor, they weren’t convinced. Ever since that day, I felt like I couldn’t be a leftist, especially since I lost any confidence in my ability to be “better” according to that person’s standards. If I couldn’t satisfy their standards that one time, what would be the point of trying to read theory and trying again? Yes I admit, I haven’t tried to read theory. I have no confidence that I would do it correctly.

    This is why you’re supposed to join an org. Most serious orgs have an onboarding process where you’ll be taught basic precepts and foundational texts of the ideology embraced by that particular org. You’ll also be assigned to do work by the org, and be build up to become someone who embodies the ideals of the org. You have imposter syndrome because you haven’t done anything to advance the emancipatory project, and you haven’t done anything to advance the emancipatory project because you are not part of an org.

    Unless you’re some rich multimillionaire quietly funding underground Maoist insurgent cells, you’ll not be able to contribute unless you’re part of an org. If there are no suitable orgs near you, your responsibility is to either create your own org or support other orgs. Creating your own org is self-explanatory in a “draw the rest of the fucking owl” sense. Supporting other orgs can range from financially supporting them to doing agiprop for them. Even if you’re the only leftist in a sea of Christofascists, you can still contribute to the cause. But you can’t do this on your own. None of us can.

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    Yes I admit, I haven’t tried to read theory. I have no confidence that I would do it correctly.

    two points. first, the only incorrect way to read theory is to not read it. even if you don’t understand 100% of a book – hell, even if you only understand 25% of a book the first time you read it – you can still get a lot out of it and become a better, more informed leftist. second, theory is only one side of the coin. what makes a good leftist is a combination of theory and praxis that inform each other, so if you’re still really that worried about not being able to read theory, getting out and actually contributing to a leftist cause will both help you feel like you’re a Good Leftist and make reading theory more approachable, bc praxis informs theory and vice versa

    Death to America

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    Not everybody is a debate bro. That’s okay.

    Not everybody comes to the conclusion that being a communist or socialist or humanist or antifascist through rigorous theory reading and debate. It can be okay to take these things on faith alone if that’s all you’ve got right now.

    Learning theory and reading/watching debates can be good for hardening your position against potential self doubt. Learning theory can be good in showing you that “Nope, nothing that I’m thinking or feeling is new. I’m not alone. Here’s what others that came before me learned and have passed down as an act of solidarity with a future that they will never see.” But it can be difficult to get started, keep up with it, or retain what the lessons were. And there’s nothing wrong with that.

    Shit, I’ve spent the last two weeks trying to read Marx’s, Capital - Volume 1. Wanna know how far I am?

    Page 39.

    And the actual text doesn’t start until page 27 of the copy I’m reading.

    You’re fine comrade. We’re all libs here. solidarity

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    You’ve got imposter syndrome. Lots of people have it. It’s just our brains working against us to exaggerate our sense of inadequacy and then use this to get in the way of doing entirely reasonable and feasible things like reading some books.

    For context, to be a socialist means recognizing the falsehoods of liberalism and working against them. Liberalism is hegemonic, though, so that means defenders of liberalism only need to rely on prevailing wisdom and clichés while we inevitably need to know a bunch of stuff to get through to them. Though don’t be fooled by that one condescending person! If they were in any way competemt or purposeful about building socialism they would have supported you in joining their way of seeing things, not made you feel like you aren’t even a leftist - assuming you weren’t saying anything highly reactionary. Anyone that regularly does org work with community recognizes the liberal impulse to dunk on people that don’t need dunking on and trains their members to not do that.

    I’ve known lots of people in your boat. The only way I’ve ever seen them work through it is by building confidence by doing work with an org and by reading the theory that had made them insecure to not know. Not that it was easy. Some did org work and felt insecure for over a year because they didn’t dedicate time to reading. But once they did, they felt better and better. I think it helps that other people they felt intimidated by didn’t actually know that much, that just reading 3 books put them in a better place to understand theory than the person that made them feel less than. For example, one person’s critic was a Trot that wasn’t even in an org doing anything and had a series of bad takes that became obvious in hindsight.

    Something that helps is by not letting org work or reading be too big of a hurdle. You don’t need to run a committee or read Das Kapital right away.

    Here is a doable alternative for org work: identify an org by going to an action and asking how you can help. It’s okay to dip your toes in. If all you do is support other people in the org by being nice to them and helping out with logistics (taking notes, transporting materials, etc) you will still be very helpful!

    Here is a doable alternative for reading theory: read 1 (1) short book over the next few months. Something like Blackshirts and Reads that is written in modern language and is low on jargon. Take some notes on key ideas in each chapter that resonated with you, or just some bullet points.

    Okay my comment is getting too long so I’ll wrap it up. Don’t think of my comment as just saying, “go read theory”, because I’m not nagging you or being flippant! I’m still suggesting reading but it is because this is a good way to break through how you are feeling. In this case, you can make the impossible feel possible by doing it in small pieces and at your own pace. And you should also forgive yourself both for your perceived inadequacy (it is valid to feel overwhelmed) and for your reticence. These are common feelings but you don’t deserve them. You’re already wanting to fight the good fight, there are just some barriers, and, like most people, one of them is your own brain!

    Please feel free to PM me if you prefer that, I have worked with and mentored many people in your boat. Replying (or not) here is also totally cool.

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    @[email protected] already linked my basic beginner guide in this thread so I won’t spam it. Instead, I’ll leave you with advice for if you never read theory, as much as I think you should.

    Don’t speak on what you haven’t thoroughly investigated. If that is, say, whether or not revolution is required, don’t immediately say yes or no, or even say that you think revolution is required but aren’t sure. This sounds mean, but I promise, this right here will eliminate the vast majority of any real bullying you could come across. You can learn the answers to those questions by reading theory janet-wink but also by listening to others.

    Secondly, browse effort-posts and the News Mega. Just see what people are saying, and try to look up online what you aren’t familiar with.

    Third, just have fun in the general megathread and hobby comms like c/games! Those are just comfy and cozy.

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    We’re all liberals here, so no worries

    The important thing is to engage in a continual process of learning and self-education, so that you can engage in correct practice. Liberals don’t have to do this because a. we’re constantly bathed in propaganda that disseminates their worldview and b. they don’t want to change the world in any meaningful way. You can pick up a lot by just hanging out with other leftists here and listening and chatting, but eventually you will want to read theory to better understand why they think the the things they do. Better yet, join an org irl, engage in political education through them and put it into practice.

    At the end of the day, leftism isn’t something you are, it’s something you do.

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    This is the least serious leftist space. You will be just fine here. If you make a bad take, you may get called out on it. But the correct response is to just investigate what they are saying and adjust your views accordingly. That’s all it takes to be a “good” leftist; the only “bad” leftist is someone who refuses to do that navel-gazing, refuses to critically examine their own views.

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    No, you won’t be bullied as long as you act in good faith. It’s a good sign that you want to grow and learn and are willing to ask questions.

    In my book, you’re a leftist if you want the end of capitalism. The rest of theory is just for learning the how and the why.

    For something that’s easier to read, I’d suggest Blackshirts and Reds by Michael Parenti.

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      Blackshirts and Reds by Michael Parenti.

      Cannot recommend a book more. Dead simple. Huge impact. Best bang for buck read imo, especially if you still have lingering apprehension about AES states.

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    Being gatekept on being a leftist is extremely leftist, the more times you’ve been purity tested the more leftist you are. Doesn’t matter if you actually pass those purity tests, mind you, but it means you’ve stuck around long enough to not have given up and succumb to becoming a lib or fash.

    As for theory, you can start with listening to Dolly Parton’s seminal “9 to 5” as a primer on communism

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    We only bully bastards, subhuman crackers, and shitheads who side with the oppressor over the people and behave like reactionary/neoliberal scum on this website. The “standard” here is not being a bootlicker

    I was questioned on whether I “actually am a leftist”, by a friend.

    so-true “UR NTO A LEFTIST BCUZ I DIDNT SEE U CITE KONDRATIEV WAVES IN UR RESPONSE”

    Your friend sounds like an elitist wanker who has dreams of becoming an academic.

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      The whole class has been ignoring the homework? It was all in the syllabus, and I kept reminding you to do the reading!

      You all know the final isn’t being graded on a curve, right? It’s covering all of the material from the whole year.

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      So… They weren’t actually being serious? And were just repeating a phrase all this time!? Another incident of me being Literal Minded…

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        He’s joking. People definitely read theory. But can I let you in on a little secret? I only read like, the first 40 pages of Capital vol 1, said “oh wow that’s just impossible for me to read right now” and watched a bunch of videos from The Marxist Project so I could grasp the most important concepts. I’ve focused on reading about history instead, because it’s a lot more palatable for me, and I think in most conversations with other people it’s most helpful to know a lot about history and a little about the economic laws that govern history, than to be an expert on those laws but not know enough details about history to make convincing arguments to people. Of course, once I feel more comfortable I’ll give the big book another crack!

        I recommend that if you hate capitalism and feel like all this crap is made up BS, you should do something similar to break into leftism. Read something easier and more modern; anything Parenti, Chomsky, Vincent Bevins, etc. then you can complement your understanding of history with a bit of understanding of Marxist theory, you can read a bit of Mao or Stalin, who actually made some very nice essays explaining dialectical materialism and its application. You can look up lectures on Marx, I recommend David Harvey, Michael Hudson, and Richard Wolff. Just take it at your own pace, it’s not like there’s an exam to pass.

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          I’ve read all three volumes of Capital, and I can confidently say reading it is something you should do eventually, but it would be counter productive to read it without already having a fairly good understanding of most of it’s core concepts and having built up a tolerance for dry, difficult reading. Starting with it is the theory equivalent of trying to read Ulysses as your first novel or playing battletoads as your first videogame.

          Also, I’ve talked to people who haven’t read it in its entirety but definetly understand it better than I do.

          There is a new translation of it into English that just came out that’s supposed to be a lot easier to understand but I personally haven’t checked it out yet.

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            Paul Reitter’s recent translation is really good! I think it’s a much more approachable translation for modern readers, and it’s the only translation in English that’s based on that last (4th) German edition of the book.

            Having said that, my personal copy of Capital is from 1906 with some beautifully penciled marginalia from the comrade who originally owned it, and I can’t bring myself to replace it or justify buying yet another copy just to loan out or reference corrections that were already penciled in to my copy in the margins.

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          I recently picked up the 1986 book Prisoners of the American Dream by Mike Davis because someone posted the first page on twitter. Haven’t read that much of it but based on what I have read it seems like a very approachable book for leftists looking to get into the reading.

          Also on Hexbear’s literature comm there’s a post (https://hexbear.net/post/109424) directing one on how to access the ‘Socialist Theory Reading Group’ on the education site Perusall. The weekly reading group portion of that has fallen into disuse but the library has a bunch of archived PDFs that are all readily accessible and can be easily downloaded. For instance there’s three titles I can see from Parenti, two from Chomsky, and The Jarkarta Method by Vincent Bevins.

          The Perusall might not be the most user-friendly thing out there for a newbie looking for a beginner’s reading list, but I just wanted to mention it.

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        A lot of people here have read theory, but also a lot of have not. Both categories will tell you to read theory. The point is more telling people to not argue out of their ass and be knowledgeable.

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        I’m being a little flip honestly. Ive read 50% of capital (about 500 pages) and haven’t picked it up in months. This shit was written in the late 1800s, it’s not easy to do. I don’t fault anyone who hasn’t read it. There are a lot beginners lists out there to get you stated. But that said, anyone who seriously talks down to you for not having read theory is not a good comrade and could benefit from some self critique.

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        It’s a gag, a lot here do, but also a lot dont or haven’t but mean to. There’s like…a LOT of books and different viewpoints and stuff it’s a pretty robust subject and so even amongst the avid readers no one has read everything.