Dr. Oz is a charlatan who’s allowed to exist because the vitamin and supplement industry lobbied against FDA oversight and won.
He’s the literal product of corruption.
And Snakeoil
America Last. WTF, the Government of Putin wants an epidemic to break out. How many people in the red run welfare counties would be affected by Dr. Oz’s plan? Indeed, a shit ton and they voted for it.
I’ll make it much simpler to understand. The only thing putin wants. Is America out of the way. Whatever form that takes. So that he can pursue his plans in Eurasia.
He really has talent in choosing all his picks. “Ummm who could be the worst person ever to fill this role?”
Every one of those terrible picks has been a deliberate, careful choice to destabilize the country.
Except the NASA guy. He’s probably pretty good. But his job is to funnel contracts (and therfore billions of dollars) to spacex.
Anyone decent will be fired for not doing terrible things or quit because there’s too much pressure to do the terrible things (cf Trump’s first term). Most of them are happy to do the terrible things this go round, though, because they were identified in advance for being willing to do the terrible things.
Why should only the military pay for overpriced stuff they don’t need?
Being serious, it seems like he picked his people from a couple of pools.
- Republicans with a lot of social media clout.
- People plausibly accused of being Russian agents.
Don’t forget name-recognition (even outside the social media spheres.) When’s the last time so many cabinet picks were names the average American already knew? It’s not like we’re the most informed group of people. Yet out of all the millions of people in the United States, what are the chances that the best people for these jobs are ones the public has already heard of?
Trump has gotten as far as he has by treating his own name like a brand. It’s not surprising that he prefers to associate with others who’ve done the same.
They do in other modern countries. Oh wait, except they don’t have “uninsured” people. If your government can’t guarantee you basic things like clean air and water, protection, health… what the fuck are you paying taxes for!?
More lanes for more roads, because more lanes will definitely fix gridlock
More of them, but no plan or resources towards maintaining them
what the fuck are you paying taxes for!?
dead brown kids!
Dont forget the billionaires!
Luigi didn’t.
Just think: you all did the right thing, holding your nose at the polls, voting for Fetterman to block Oz. And now you have both of them.
Brain damage causes conservatism.
Nah, I probably have some decent brain damage and am solidly progressive.
Same here. My brain injury made me even more radical. If anything has me wondering if I’ve gone paranoid and insane seeing all this coming danger while the rest of the world just goes about their business.
Hmm yeah fair point, I’m in the same boat.
Proposed amendment: enough brain damage causes conservatism.
We better lay off the concussions, got it haha
Life, uh, finds a way…
Not fucking happy about it. Worst possible outcome.
Somebody call Luigi.
Single payer healthcare is so complex to implement that only 22 of the 23 most developed countries in the world have done it.
The US system is grotesque.
Part of the problem for the US is that such a huge amount of gdp is buried in the masses of beauracracy that makes up the US healthcare system, it’s essentially acting (economically) as proxy government spending to prop up a failing economy. The average US citizen is so heavily propaganda’d into hating government run projects that the sensible economic stimulus (government infrastructure projects or public services) are well and truly off the table.
What this ultimately means is fixing healthcare isn’t just breaking up the cartels, preventing price fixing and untangling the web of nonsense that makes up the US private system… unless you want to inspire a massive crash (which absolutely has real human cost), it also means redistributing government spending and implementing (unrelated) government run services and/or projects to keep all these people employed (which would also mean re-training and potentially relocating) - all of which needs to be done against the overwhelmingly loud voices screeching “government employee bad”.
The US system is state sanctioned terrorism of the civilian population by the plutocracy, for profit.
While I agree with the sentiment (where this should be the case), this isn’t actually true for some of these countries.
Australia, for example, though not sure if we’re included in this 23, we have a private system also.
For all emergency care, it’s single-payer. Private health insurance / private hospitals are not permitted to provide emergency care, nor out of hospital car, but all other hospital care is allowed (I am simplifying, as I’m not super clear on it either). Further, private health insurance is not allowed to cover things that Medicare doesn’t at least also partially cover.
Sounds good right? Sounds like private health is kept in check? I mean, sort of, but it’s still really profitable, and you even get a tax break.
What it doesn’t stop, is prices getting higher and you having to cover the difference because health care employees are not necessarily employed by the stat, and can set their own prices (which is either covered by private insurance in hospital, or out-of-pocket outside hospital as private can’t cover that).
If you don’t have private health, you often have to wait way longer in the public system for non-emergency (but still medically necessary) care, like hip replacements, eye surgery etc.
It’s kinda fucked, everyone ought to be in the same queue, and if things are taking too long well then gee, I dunno, pay more / hire more / train more doctors, this doesn’t take a genius to figure out.
Healthcare should be provided by the state, in-full, covered by taxes. We (and the US for that matter) have plenty of tax revenue to cover this. And if you’re feeling really frisky, perhaps very slightly increase corporate taxes and tax breaks for the wealthy.
So we now have a two tiered system, where the wealthy get care first, or whoever can afford to pay. And you even get a tax break for it.
The US system is trash, and ours is utopian by comparison, but let’s not pretend like all 22 of 23 countries have true, universal healthcare.
We don’t, let’s aim higher haha
Oz went on to explain that most people have misread the Constitution and Bill of rights, people can have life OR liberty OR the pursuit of happiness. Only the rich will get all three…
It’s an interesting perspective on a phrase that literally says “Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness”.
FFS, this guy thinks it’s a prix fixe menu!
Funny because you can only pursue liberty or pursue happiness when dead. Almost like the afterlife, religion is an instrument of class oppression
Just wish the US would get a universal healthcare system like every freaking other developed country in this world. Will never happen. Ugh.
Nah, the Republicans would rather see you spend twice as much per capita (the whole population!) to cover a third of the population via public insurance and then get you guys to then spend money on private insurance and then have to pay any time you need any care.
You know… Fiscal responsibility…
To be fair Kamala was also against Medicare for All
EDIT: Y’all need to learn to Google basic shit before rage downvoting facts you don’t like: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/how-kamala-harris-ditched-medicare-for-all/
Ah yes, the two parties. Republicans and Kamala.
Yes only the Republicans have a leader they listen to and built a platform on. Harris had no influence on her policy choices!
Maybe you weren’t aware of this, but Kamala was the Democrat’s nominee for president. Which is the highest office in the government.
Can you show me all the primary results to back up your claim?
… really?
I don’t think they do, judging by the downvotes.
As was “nothing will fundamentaly change” Biden. Corporate whores to their very core.
Pretty sure she supports it, as she did 4 years ago, but her campaign told her not to show support for it in order to court the Republicans that were on the fence.
but her campaign told her not to show support for it in order to court the Republicans that were on the fence.
Seems like they told her to do that with a lot of things.
womp womp.
I’m holding out hope that the Democrats decide to court Democrats, but based on the past few elections I don’t have very high hopes.
Democrats: taking votes for granted that they shouldn’t be taking for granted since forever.
Correction: Taking intelligence and empathy for granted that they shouldn’t be taking for granted, since basically social media started being a thing.
If you don’t support it during the campaign then you don’t get to say you secretly supported it later.
So she’s a spineless liar? That’s worse.
They adopted a strategy, it didn’t work.
Welcome to politics, you don’t always defend what you believe in.
So she’s both a spineless liar and lacks substantive values? Voters who like that kind of candidate voted for Trump. Predictably. Welcome to politics.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/how-kamala-harris-ditched-medicare-for-all/
This page doesn’t exist or can’t be found.
Ah, Jacobin. Of course. The ones who said housing the homeless is not good, because it means landlords will get paid.
Can’t wait to read their thoughts on health care. Let me guess: “Universal health care now, but not if corporations benefit too”.
They hated ACD for telling the truth.
Wish granted. The government is now responsible for paying whatever premiums the health insurance companies demand. But everyone with a social security number is covered.
There’s a way of dealing with insurance company CEOs who aren’t good people don’t worry
It will happen, we just haven’t fought hard enough for it yet.
If everyone just said fuck it and stopped paying their insurance, it would crash not just those companies, but domino into taking out the entire stock market.
Like, these companies are worth so much, and they invest in others and people invest in them. If their entire revenue stream is stopped at once that’s it.
Which makes it kind of a nuclear option, one I’ve intentionally not mentioned and haven’t seen anyone else either.
But the day may be coming
Corporations mainly pay for health insurance. Imagine employee’s reactions being told they were getting cut off. Not going to happen.
If the employee cancels their plan, the corp ain’t going to keep paying.
I don’t know why someone would read my comment and imagine I meant corporations should cancel their employees insurance…
But I think that’s what happened here
We don’t get to drop out of plans at a whim.
I’m on VA, so I admittedly don’t know much.
But to my knowledge marketplace can be cancelled at any time, thru employer may only be certain times.
But I do know you can stop any non court ordered payroll deduction at any time…
Some dumbasses even do it for OASDI and tax withholding and then act shocked when they get the bill at end of year.
You have a point I missed!
Interesting idea, but you’d need to get employers on board. Many of whom are publicly traded companies.
When someone stops paying their insurance, they stop getting healthcare. Most people don’t want that.
It’s kind of like saying “If everyone said fuck it and set their car on fire, then oil companies would suffer”. Yes, but they aren’t the only ones who would suffer.
When someone stops paying their insurance, they stop getting healthcare.
When people pay their insurance, they don’t get healthcare either.
No, they generally do get health care. In fact, most insured adults give their health insurance an overall rating of “excellent” or “good”, even if they are in poor health.
It’s true that there are horror stories, but those are not the majority.
Which is why there was so much sympathy for the UHC CEO and why his killer is universally hated.
29% of people have “very unfavorable” views of Luigi Mangione, compared to only 13% of Brian Thompson. The vast majority believe his murder was not justified.
It sure is neat seeing under which circumstances lemmy regards polls as reliable.
Were you one of the Lemmy users who thought Trump was “universally hated”? If so, you were in for a big surprise there too.
Reading the rest of the survey makes me belive that americans either don’t know what a good insurance company looks like or that they must lie to themselves
Which is exactly why we’ll never have single payer: It would crash the economy and put millions out of work.
Downvote me all you want but it’s the exact reason Obama gave for not pushing single payer
I’m not sure how that puts people out of work? Still need people to process the claims, they would just work for the government vs the company. Which for them would probably be better long term getting federal benefits and retirement.
It’s only a couple companies at this point. There’s been so many members over the years. Economy would be fine. We probably had more tech layoffs this year than would lose their job from closing these leeches
But that would go against small govt and the GOP cannot let that slide.
I always figured a great deal of those people would move to government work. They already have the expertise.
The problem is that there are large parts of those companies that are replicated multiple times that would be made redundant.
Each company has an IT department, legal department, marketing department, and claims department, among a lot else. Most of those would be redundant or unnecessary in a single payer system.
Part of the reason single payer is more cost effective is eliminating administrative overhead. And “administrative overhead “ is code for jobs.
Any job that gets between a patient and the care they need is a job that needs to die.
No doubt. I’m an antiwork radical and think nobody should have a job. But the one thing both political parties and the public seem to agree on is “more jobs” so anyone who says “less jobs” isn’t going to get elected.
And what will you do with all these unemployed people?
Checkmate, guys. We can’t endanger some jobs in order to help everyone. Sorry. Guess we’ll just keep doing this failure of a system that keeps a few rich from the rest of us struggling.
No answer huh? I’ll send a million beggars to your doorstep. Jesus Christ you people are children. Can we actually talk about how this works?!
And that seems logical! But we’ve talked about combining the local city and county for cost savings. Turns out, it wouldn’t be too big a deal.
Not like if we doubled the population we’d need the same amount of people approving construction planning. We’d pretty much need double. And that’s one of 1,000 examples.
But you’re spot on with admin overhead! That would indeed drop. Not by half, as in my example, but it would certainly drop. The biggest drop would be profit. And we can all agree healthcare shouldn’t run like private enterprise.
I’m totally with you. Yes, got single-payer would slash thousands and thousands of jobs, maybe a million or three. And yes, that would fucking hurt. It’s like the Obama quotes you posted. We didn’t start on a level playing field, we started in a ditch.
Lemmy hates our sort of discourse. “NO! It’s all very simple! Why won’t you talk simple!”
I’m 100% on board with Medicare for all and have been since 2016. I’m just trying to recognize logistical and political speedbumps
Lemmy: NO! SIMPLE ONLY!
You’re fighting an uphill battle.
How?
For the same reason not paying our insurance will crash the economy: Big parts of it would go out of business.
The obvious solution is to put a plan into place to transition to a new system over time. There’s no reason it has to come all at once, unless there’s a viable way to do that without collapsing markets.
The conclusion to any problem is never, and should never, be “Welp! The problem is too big to fix now! Guess we’ll just leave it as it is!”. Every problem has a solution. Most problems have more than one.
Further than that, as a recently unemployed working class person who was paycheck to paycheck before my freelance gigs dried up a month and a half ago (slow season started early this year), fuck the stock market. Why should I worry about the extractors losing money when they have already created a system in which, through no lack of effort on my part, I have nothing left to lose. I’m in the top 10% of technicians in my city, in a very niche field, in one of the largest cities in the US, and I can’t afford my bills because my industry is dominated by a single monopoly. Anyone who doesn’t serve the monopoly directly either serves it indirectly, or feeds on its scraps. Small company owners (I’ve worked with many) justify paying people just slightly more than the starvation wages the monopoly doles out. Unions are gaining ground, but it’s very slow progress and they haven’t really expanded far beyond entry level positions yet, which I leveled out of well over a decade ago.
Fuck the stock market. Fuck the rich. Why should I care about them when all they do is extract?
I don’t disagree with you but I do not believe our government is capable of a decade-long transition to single payer.
Why not? All they have to do is make a single payer option available. Make it functional and accessible, and people will switch to it as their current insurance policies end, or when they move to their next job. The health insurance stock market will likely initially dive, then stabilize into a long downward slope. I’m sure the feds have all kinds of “quantitative-easing” tools they can use to make the process less painful for the ownership class. Whatever pain they do feel would be a necessary consequence of the wrongs they have committed being made right.
Is “the economy” code for how hard you can fuck yourself in the ass with no lube?
“The economy” is code what for every single fucking one of us participates in. This notion that the economy only applies to the rich is sophomoric, and I’m being generous calling it that.
So every other country with universal healthcare just doesn’t exist or?
And that has what to do with what? Cute quip though.
If we remove a million+ jobs, yes, that will fuck shit up. Y’all have an 8th-grade understanding of the world. Upvotes means you’re right, downvotes bad.
As to what OP posted, it’s like Obama said, we’re not starting on a level playing field, we’re starting in a ditch. Other countries started healthcare after WWII, did the right thing, for many reasons I won’t go into here.
Sorry, forgot where I was.
“SIMPLE ANSWER GOOD!”
I don’t know why I’m getting grief for agreeing with OP that eliminating health insurers would crash the economy.
To me this is fine but most people won’t like it which is why single payer won’t ever happen without a revolution.
Is not liking it the same as crashing the economy?
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Privatize ALL the health insurance companies.
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Reduce inefficiencies (fire all the parasites that don’t do actual work, like the CEO’s, etc)
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Continue operations as normal, but now with 100% guaranteed claim coverage.
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Over time, phase out the need for people to “deal with insurance” at all and make the whole thing transparent.
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I’m not suggesting you’re wrong, but isn’t there an obvious inefficiency here that reduces the standard of care provided?
Like if a national healthcare system doubles the number of administrators involved, there will be less money available for actual health stuff.
Yes, and the inefficiency of private health insurance creates thousands of jobs and powers a $2.2 trillion industry.
The stock market has survived fire sales before and it will survive it again. Oops we got too large to easily stop has never been cause for anything except getting the stick out and beating them down to size.
Ha ha ha. Pop pop pop.
Behind the bastards podcast on this piece of shit.
When the denying starts, the deposing starts.
“Those who make peaceful reform impossible make violent revolution inevitable.”
RFK Jr.'s Uncle is rolling in the grave
Probably his father too.
