• @[email protected]
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      I first started using Linux in 1995 (I think it was kernel 1.2 or something), and this was being argued over (or at least discussed) even back then. The conclusion was that Leenus doesn’t care how you pronounce Leenux.

    • @josefoOP
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      That was very enlightening, the Spanish pronunciation is actually more close to that than the English one, so I feel very validated as an Spanish speaker. Thank you. Also didn’t knew that he wasn’t from an English speaking country.

  • @[email protected]
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    Except it doesn’t in Finnish, where Linus Torvald is from. Linus and Linux is pronounced the same except for the final consonant.

  • @[email protected]
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    The real debate is whether it’s sudo or sudo.

    I know it means “super user do” so should be pronounced “sue doo”, but it just grates on my ear. To me it will always be “Sue dough”

    • Echo Dot
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      It’s really confusing because “pseudo” pronounce the same way, means not real. So it’s like you only kind of have admin access but really there’s a lot of systems you can’t change. Except that’s not the case, and you have full access.

      • @[email protected]
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        26 months ago

        Yeah but you’re not really root, you just have permission to run things as root ;)

        That’s my flimsy justification for pronouncing it like pseudo, anyway.

    • @[email protected]
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      I have no source to back this up so maybe I came up with this in my own reality, but I thought it was related to, pseudo = pretended.

    • @josefoOP
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      Ah, yeah, that fucked me up too few months ago, there are several videos on the subject. I think it’s a problem with words that are created as written first, and then got pronounced, in second place, like most tech lingo. As a non-native speaker those are always the hardest to speak correctly, and even english has no real consensus.

          • Echo Dot
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            26 months ago

            Gyif

            Also doesn’t help that apparently it’s named after a brand of peanut butter (why) that is only available in the states and nowhere else on earth.

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              26 months ago

              it’s named after a brand of peanut butter

              Not exactly; the word is an acronym which the creator then chose to pronounce like the peanut butter.

      • Echo Dot
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        Yeah, and the ongoing debate of how to pronounce Godot - even the developers don’t seem to know

        • @josefoOP
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          Ah, I’m a Godot developer and this is like pouring salt in my wounds. Waiting for Godot was written by an Irish man, but it’s the translation of his original work in French. On top of that mess, the original creators of the engine are from Argentina, a country that uses a variant of Spanish. So good luck with consensus there. French, Irish English or Argentinian Spanish are all canonical options there.

      • @[email protected]
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        Like SQL. It took me a bit time to learn that the one from MS is Sequel and the other ones are Es Queue El.

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    I’ve heard a lot of people pronounce it “Line-ux” lately. I hope it doesn’t blow up into another Gif vs Jif debate.

    Edit: and if it was supposed to be pronounced jif it would be spelled “jif”, regardless of what Steve Wilhite says.

    • @[email protected]
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      I’ve always pronounced it as “Linux”. And then, one day I heard it from a native English speaker pronouncing it as “Linix”, and I still keep hearing that everywhere, but I just cannot fix my brain anymore. To me it always remains “Linux”.

  • @[email protected]
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    English doesn’t make sense because it’s been influenced by so many other languages. I’m not sure of the etymology of Linux and Linus, but I would guess that they have different roots.

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        English is such as mess that you actually have spelling contests to prove it. Try that with most other languages, and it’s going to be exciting for all the first graders who just learned the alphabet. Anyone older than that will be bored to death in the contest.

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          As a kid, I was so confused by (dubbed) cartoons’ portrayal of spelling contests as some serious, non-trivial thing. Then I learned English and finally understood.

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            Yeah, me too. I was like: “dude, you just listen to the sounds, convert them to letters and you’re done. Why is everyone so excited about someone having learned the alphabet. That’s literally first grader stuff.”

            Then I realized how bad it really is in English.

    • FiveMacs
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      They do have different roots.

      One is % sudo su –

      And the other is Canadian directly. Ask his parents their nationality to find better roots.

    • kersploosh
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      “English is not a language, it’s three languages wearing a trench coat pretending to be one.”

      For more fun, right about the time the printing press came into widespread use and English spelling became standardized, the language was in the middle of the Great Vowel Shift.

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      “Linus” comes from Greek and means “flax.” Originally pronounced something like “lee-noose.” “Linux” is a combination of Linus’ name (the creator of Linux) and “Unix.”

    • ThankYouVeryMuch
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      That’s_ not the cause though, most if not all languages have been influenced by many others. And pronunciation, meaning of words etc drift over time in all of them as well.
      Most countries have gone through the process of revising their orthography, changing spelling or even adopting different alphabets to have kind of consistent writing systems for their languages.
      None of this has been done in the English language, it uses the most basic Latin alphabet which was made for a very different language (when even many Romance languages directly descending from Latin have adapted it with new letters or diacritics), for example English has a lot of vowel sounds that Latin hadn’t and it even went through something called ‘the great vowel shift’ when changes in some vowel sounds got them closer to others that were ‘pushed’, these pushed others causing a sort of shuffling in the (finite) vowel space, but spelling didn’t reflect most of this.
      In fact I think that in some cases the spelling took the more ancient version that matched the pronunciation even less like ‘plumb’ (don’t quote me on this, its from the top of my head)

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        En español es bastante consistente de hecho, y gracias a un comentario en este post me enteré de que estamos más cerca de la pronunciación original que el inglés, muy interesante.

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      Actually, he didn’t even name it that way, though he did later dictate how it should be pronounced before demonstrating that pronunciation with a completely different pronunciation.

      Ari Lemmke, Torvalds’ coworker at the Helsinki University of Technology (HUT) who was one of the volunteer administrators for the FTP server at the time, did not think that “Freax” was a good name, so he named the project “Linux” on the server without consulting Torvalds.[58] Later, however, Torvalds consented to “Linux”.

      According to a newsgroup post by Torvalds,[11] the word “Linux” should be pronounced (/ˈlɪnʊks/ ⓘ LIN-uuks) with a short ‘i’ as in ‘print’ and ‘u’ as in ‘put’. To further demonstrate how the word “Linux” should be pronounced, he included an audio guide with the kernel source code.[59] However, in this recording, he pronounces Linux as /ˈlinʊks/ (LEEN-uuks) with a short but close front unrounded vowel, instead of a near-close near-front unrounded vowel as in his newsgroup post.

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        Dammit he’s a Finnish nerd, not a linguist.

  • @[email protected]
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    Quick recap.

    So, Linux is Linux because a set of events that lead to it being named after Linus.

    It wasn’t uncommon at this time for Unix systems to be named after their relevant creator or platform like this. HP-UX, PC-UX A/UX etc.

    Linux would probably be seen as LIN-UX or LIN/UX, it may not seeing as Linux is not Unix, but that’s just speculation.

    Linux in its proper reading would be Linus Unix, but that doesn’t make any sense Linux is Unix-like, but it was made in a vacuum without access to Unix source or even Unix systems at all near the beginning.

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      Interesting! Do you happen to know where the -UX suffix convention came from?

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    36 months ago

    Thats a real Tough trough though is really gets wound around the wound

  • @[email protected]
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    Back in like the mid/late-90s, there was a horribly compressed .wav going around the internet of what was supposedly a heavily accented Linus Torvalds saying “Helo my name is Linus Torcalds and I pronounce “Linux” as “Linux”, that’s “Linux”.

    I know, because I’ve listened to that .wav a million times. And I still think he said “LEE^^uh -nux”.