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      Reminds me of the fact that female ducks have really complex vaginas to try to avoid getting raped (and it doesn’t work).

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        It doesn’t prevent the rape, but they do have “cul-de-sac pouches en route, that could prevent fertilisation by capturing unwelcome sperm.” So they can choose whether or not they get fertilized. Which is at least some sort of a defense. Edit: link for quote

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          “If it’s a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down.”

          Turns out he was thinking about ducks all along.

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            “If it’s a legitimate rape, the female ducky has ways to try to shut that whole thing down.”

            FTFY

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            Dolphins do as well. They can move their tail in such a way that forces the ejaculate into a blind alley preventing fertilization.

            Dolphins are quite rapey.

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        Male ducks have corkscrew penises, and female ducks have corkscrew vaginas that go the opposite direction.

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        Ducks are involved in a genital arm’s race with each other, just because of how much raping they do.

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    Before playing the game, the participants sniffed either female tears or a saline solution

    Why would they not include male tears in the test?

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      If male tears were the only control, then they run the risk of not finding any result. If you have 3 groups, you need a substantially larger sample size because you are running a less powerful statistical test.

      Easier to start with the test that’s most likely to work, and narrow it down from there if you succeed

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        Having men sniff three different samples would still allow for saline as a control and wouldn’t really make the data set that much more complicated.

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            Just college lab courses, but come on, it’s pretty basic. The experiment merely tests a single variable by changing it while keeping everything else the same. There could have been dozens of different samples that men sniffed and it wouldn’t really make the data complicated.

            It would increase the length of the test, though, so dozens of samples would have been cumbersome. But just two? Literally just “see how the test group responds to sample 1, sample 2, and the control sample”? That’s not complicated science. You probably did that in highschool lol

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              Testing multiple hypotheses this way still requires additional sample size because there is an increased error likelihood. From a statistical point of view, the most efficient test may be to stick to one variable like this.

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              I’m guessing they had to stay within their funding/budget and didn’t want to reduce the sample size to increase the number of variables tested. MRIs are expensive

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                they should just be getting time on the machine although maybe also tech time. either way doing multiple with a single individual is easier than more individuals.

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                  But that makes it more complex because you have to start worrying about the order they’re done in because it might be different emotions playing your first or third game plus the effect might linger, take time to show, etc.

                  Far better to answer one simple question and prove there is an effect then follow up tests can look at finding the bounds to that and starting to narrow in on identifying mechanics.

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            I have experience and yes, it would not make it much more complicated. two types of controls are actually common although using male tears would not be a control. but like 5 research targets and 2 controls would not be beyond belief.

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      They said they had a hard time finding men who would cry.

      They also didn’t test women sniffing women’s tears, or men sniffing men or women sniffing men, or animal tears.

      They left a lot of variables out of this one.

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      I thought the same thing, so I checked the real paper and they do end up explaining their reasoning.

      As for social interactions among humans, future research will explore whether the new study’s findings apply to women. “When we looked for volunteers who could donate tears, we found mostly women, because for them it’s much more socially acceptable to cry,” Agron says.

      I’m interested if the results are same for male tears and also if they’re the same for women who smell either gender’s tears.

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      I feel like they should also have experimental groups of children and the elderly, to see whether age also has an effect on hormonal responses.

      I suppose that applies both in regards to tears from and how tears affect. Hmm, I can see this getting rather complicated and extensive.

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        I feel like they should also have experimental groups of children and the elderly

        I find this is my answer to most things honestly.

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      Seems there was a study that concluded female tears raise testosterone of men. I thus think it’s kinda understandable they did it in this way. But, yeah, not really convincing.

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      Because they sought to justify male aggression toward a non-subservient target.

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      Now, researchers from the Weizmann Institute of Science in Israel have conducted a series of experiments to investigate whether, like in rodents, sniffing human female tears reduces aggression in men and what functional effect it has on their brains.

      “We knew that sniffing tears lowers testosterone and that lowering testosterone has a greater effect on aggression in men than in women, so we began by studying the impact of tears on men because this gave us higher chances of seeing an effect,” said Shani Agron, the lead and co-corresponding author of the study.

      There’s limited evidence of human tear chemosignaling, but a previous study by some of the researchers involved in the current study found that women’s tears contain an odorless chemical signal that, when sniffed by males, reduced self-rated sexual arousal, physiological measures of arousal, and testosterone levels.

      First, the researchers tested whether sniffing female tears reduced aggression in men. ‘Emotional’ tears were collected from six human donors aged 22 to 25 who watched sad film clips in isolation to induce crying. Twenty-five men were asked to play a two-person monetary game with an opponent they were told was human but was, in fact, a computer algorithm. The game was designed to elicit an aggressive response by the male toward their opponent, whom they were led to believe was cheating. When given the opportunity, the male could get revenge on their opponent by causing them to lose money with no personal gain to them.

      Before playing the game, the participants sniffed either female tears or a saline solution – both are odorless – but were not told what they were sniffing. The researchers observed a 43.7% reduction in aggression following exposure to tears. To evaluate the robustness of their results, they ran a bootstrap analysis, a statistical procedure that resamples a single data set to create many simulated samples. The analysis found that the probability of obtaining this outcome by chance was 2.9%, suggesting that, like in rodents, chemosignals in human emotional tears have a primary aggression-blocking function.

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        I have this thing where I tend to get a raging hard-on when a woman is crying near me, like if a my girlfriend is sad and I’m consoling her:: boijg.

        I have no intellectual inte=st a woman crying, and generally don’t feel “turned on”, like, I’ll generally just try and }pretend like it’s not happening and have no urge to do anything about it. I’ve always kind of wondered “what the fuck” every time it happens since there’s nothing I find remotely interesting sexually about it. Now though, I wonder.

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          Holy shit, me too! Same as you, I don’t actually feel aroused, it’s just there, like the random erections teenagers get. It used to make me really uncomfortable when I was younger, I just grew to accept it over the years. I’ve never heard anyone else mention it before, now I’m wondering if it’s more common than I thought.

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          you’re attracted to the open display of emotion. Probably because you’re repressing your own.

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          there’s nothing I find remotely interesting sexually about it

          I don’t know, man. Getting a boner each time is… an indication.

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      Welcome to being an animal!

      There’s some crazy shit about our biology that affects how we think and act.

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    Must be why they prefer to make us suffer from a distance, sitting safely in Congress and the courts where they won’t be exposed to our tears

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    The journal isn’t such a high prestige journal. It’s actually a new one with open access, which doesn’t attract best studies. Combined with the fact it’s a psychological study, which is hard to replicate, and somehow the authors employed MRI, which doesn’t really prove anything by itself, I think the authors knew it wouldn’t be perceived as the best quality article.

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      Your first statement is completely wrong.

      PLOS Biology, the journal this article is published in, is founded in 2003, so hardly a new journal, and has an impact factor of ~9, which means that it IS a prestigious journal.

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        I’m sure biology publications started 20 years ago. /s

        The impact factor is rather high, I agree, but IF also a statistic that’s often criticized for unreliability.

        I’d take it back if someone in biology tells me their community submit their work there, but otherwise I’d be skeptical. It’s also weird for a 20 year old journal to accept everything biology. Good new journals tend to specialize.

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          So you are wrong and hand wave to make yourself feel better? You seem like a real winner.

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      FWIW, it’s also not a new idea. I remember reading something similar years ago, except it was about sexual aggression.

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      What about this particular paper is difficult to replicate?

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    How… uhh… yea like how did someone even come up with this as a thing to uhhh… study? How the shit did someone’s brain arrive at “let’s get women’s tears and uhhh present them to aggressive men.” Like… what?

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      Someone observed something odd in the wild and decided to investigate further and stumbled upon this effect. Largely similar to most other discoveries?

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    It usually makes me horny, but yeah, I guess you could say that’s not aggressive.

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    Ok, liberal women of America. Here’s your chance. Cry those liberal tears they all want you to cry and then throw the tear jars in their faces!

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      I mean gamer girl bathwater is a thing, and tears actually have a use. Just have famous people bottle their tears, then auction them to the highest bidder.

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        I read this as “mean gamer girl bath water” and I was momentarily impressed that the market for gamer girl bath water had expanded to include different flavors.

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    I could imagine, yes, that 44% of aggressive men would stop dead in their tracks if shouted “SMELL MY TEARS! SNIFF’EM, GEORGE!” mid fight