Blacks often report higher pain intensity than other cultures
Isn’t this code for “they’re faking it”? Holy shit.
What book is this from?
That’s exactly how I read it.
You can read it that way, or that they report higher pain intensity, or that they have been refused medication in the past so are likely to exaggerate in order to get what they need.
The problem is we don’t have an objective way to measure pain. We can control the stimulus, but is it possible that one person experiences pain differently from others. By aggregating data you can find trends among populations. Hiding this information doesn’t serve anyone.
Knowing what groups tend to over/state pain is useful. The format they show it in is offensive, some straight up graphs and numbers showing what the trends are would be better.
We found the author lmao
Knowing what groups tend to over/state pain is useful
So let me get this straight, you think there are ethnic groups out there as an aggregate that “overstate” pain? You really think that’s a fuckin phenomenon that exists, did I hear you right?
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Hope you are better now comrade Twink 🦾
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this happened to me when i was a kid and broke my arm and my bone was literally sticking out of my skin at the hospital. my dad had to threaten to kill people to get me pain medications. he actually spent a night in jail over it, but i did get the meds.
I meant to type over/under state.
I believe, in aggregate, data can show trends. The cause of these trends is not always clear. Using this example, if it is true that black people, on average report a higher pain number for similar incidents when compared to a different group, that doesn’t mean they are lying. It could be that there is a genetic marker that indicates experiencing pain at a higher level. It could mean that past experience with doctors have taught them they need to state their needs as dire to get the care they need. It could mean that more black people can’t afford healthcare and as such only go when it is more severe. It may be a cultural phenomena, like how in Britain “man flu” is considered a thing.
I don’t believe data says people are lying, I believe data can show a trend. I feel that it is good to be aware of data.
This isn’t an issue of data, it’s an issue of racist drivel being presented as medical science, people in this thread have already presented the actual data for your “questions” and surprise! Yes medical professionals are trained to expect black people to lie about pain because they’re literally taught black people don’t experience pain, THAT’S THE REAL WORLD DATA
See we’re dealing with the dire reality of racism in the medical field and you think it’s simply an issue of not having data, one: we already have the data, two: racists don’t give a fuck about data, that’s why the black category can only be read as “they’re lying” because the rest of the categories are filled with indefensible bigotry and cartoonish caricatures, that reveals the mindset of the editor and author of the section, as such they cannot be treated as any sort of reliable transmitter of inferred data, especially when the real data contradicts their racist assertions
I think you misunderstand me.
I believe that racism is a problem, especially in medicine. I think that there are many groups who are discriminated medical professionals.
I don’t think the information is presented in a good way. But I think it’s important to look at this information. Racists don’t care about what the data says, that doesn’t mean it isn’t important for sane people to see the data. It’s like the infamous crime statistic, where the conclusion racists draw is black people are not only more likely to commit crime but they are also bad and will be caught, as opposed to thinking for one brief second that the issue is one of unfair enforcement.
I think that suppression of knowledge isn’t a good course. Obviously the information was presented in a poor fashion, but there is a difference between it just being racism and being really bad at showing data. But presenting findings can’t be considered racist, taking findings out of context can be.
I swear in one ear out the other, real sus shit from our little lemm.ee visitor, there is no “findings” to be presented, there is no “context” to massage the racist drivel in that book, it’s all garbage, the actual data (that has already been posted in this thread, which you have ignored) contradicts everything in that trash section
It’s not about presentation, there is no “good” fashion for displaying racism, the information itself is bogus and cartoonishly bigoted, how this isn’t obvious to you speaks volumes about your ignorance concerning racial subjects, but hey you’re
so I guess I have to grade you on a curveAlmost like these sorts of liberals are just frothing at the mouth for the excuse to be racist because “it isn’t racist, it’s just science! So I can hurl all the slurs I want! The science backs me up!”
im so grateful to the mods and posters. I dont even have to engage with the racist. i can just log off and when i log back in the racist comment will be remove and the racist will have been thoroughly debunked and dunked.
I think that suppression of knowledge isn’t a good course
You really have to touch grass and actually listen to people who are experts in epistomology and medical science, they will have very contrary opinions to yours.
Focault
did do some good showing some development of medical institutions, you yourself just think that stuff is neutral now and you also think that text book racism is “data” and “knowledge” which it isn’t.You also defend the “data” form a racist text book now and bound much more time than if you had stayed silent and instead read the links and sources in the thread which link to papers and articles challenging the racist ideas of “blacks no pain tolerace”.
Hiding this information doesn’t serve anyone.
The page presented is so incredibly racist that if you really wanted to “aggregate data to find trends” you would have to erase this garbage and start over anyway. So I really don’t get what you’re saying.
yeah, no, it’s just racism
I give you a hint: Don’t try to find justification for obvious racist propaganda, instead read what is written in the thread and listen to the answers you got. Go read anti racist books and listen to marginalized groups. You are carrying water for unempirical “scientific racism” here, that is still used to this day to decrease the quality of service for plenty of people.
If you want to be taken serious you don’t have to be neutral in themes of racism (which would be better what you do here), but you have to be anti racist.
The problem is we don’t have an objective way to measure pain
No
, the problem here is racism. Also: Bullshit “objective measurements”.
Blacks often report higher pain intensity than other cultures
Medical providers less able to detect authentic pain among Black people, study finds
The Discrimination Black Americans Face When It Comes to Pain Management
Doctors Still Believe Black People Don’t Feel Pain; And It’s Being Taught In Medical School
help im sso angry its making me sick fuckfuckkfk
Blacks often report higher pain intensity
plus
Black people don’t feel pain
makes for a horrifying revelation of the depth of the impunity they feel when they enact violence and indifference on black bodies
I knew it was bad, but jfc
Black people don’t feel pain
makes for a horrifying revelation of the depth of the impunity they feel when they enact violence and indifference on black bodies
That particular falsehood has roots in America’s history of slavery. From the same racist doctor who decided that slaves fleeing captivity had “drapetomania”:
Dr. Samuel Cartright, for instance, wrote that blacks bore a “[racist slur] disease [making them] insensible to pain when subjected to punishment”
I forgot how the phrase goes “:cruelty: is the
intentpoint” or something. That speaks so loud right now. Thanks for the link.I think it’s “the cruelty is the point”
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I came across this post on Reddit initially and one of the comments accompanying the thread pretty much sums up my thoughts on the matter lmao
Whites:
Whites are likely to request pain medication no matter the circumstance. In White mythology, pain medication is seen as sacred and is used in a ritual process called “getting high”
Willing to admit and prone to exaggerate pain as it elevates their status to show others how much their life sucks
Some Whites will reject medical procedures until traditional witchcraft practices such as “homeopathy” and “chicken noodle soup” are tried first
According to White lore, persons with skin tones darker then uncooked pizza dough are subhuman animals. Whites are likely to reject medical attention from such persons and request a similarly melanin-deficient nurse or doctor to treat them
They may ask for your birthday as they believe your whole-ass personality is determined by it according to their sacred calendar
Will ask for the manager
But Rosół did help me a few times, I swear I’m not a :cracker: :cri:
“We need cultural sensitivity training in med school.” One finger on the monkey’s paw curls.
No need for a section on Caucasians, everyone who reads that book is already gonna know how they act.
No doubt they consider white people the “default.”
Literally <1/5 of the human population and decreasing (thankfully)
:inshallah:
Manifesting Great Replacement
Many clients view pain negatively
No shit sherlock
People die if they are killed
water tends to hydrate
They’re being culturally sensitive in order to be inclusive of all the Cenobite patients.
No info on how white people handle pain? Looks like we’ll need to inflict pain on mayos to get data!
Sacred number??!?!
Shamans???
OH FUCK OFF
Jews may be vocal and demanding of assistance
Jews believe that pain must be shared and validated by others
I wonder what the textbook author’s opinion on the holocaust is
really feel like sharing and validating some pain on this author
They believe suffering and pain are inevitable
TIL Black = Buddhist
The American education system is wild.
Wtf? “Blessed by a tribal shaman”??? Not that the rest isn’t racist, but that’s cartoonishly racist.
idk the Jewish one and the “Blacks often report higher pain intensity than other cultures” (counterpoint: black reports of pain are more often ignored or downplayed) seem, like, precision-engineered racist while that Native American one seems more like a low-effort caricature.
I was coming from a “no one actually thinks this way, right? Right??” angle, whereas the others I very much know that people think this way.
What if med school was just a boomer on a mic repeating “what’s the deeeal with Native Americans?”
We can’t have universal healthcare but we can have universal phrenology in our healthcare
This textbook was published in 2015 and was pulled from use in 2017
Also wow Nursing Times no need to add the quotation marks. That book is racist not ‘racist’.
“”“racist”“”
