Even if scripted, roller derby in the 70’s took athleticisms and power. I agree the sport of roller derby is different now, but practitioners of the past deserve respect. The level of training/conditioning in all sports is very different now, does not mean past practitioners were not athletes. Comparisons across eras is difficult because standards change.
It is definitely a sport, although every time I’ve tried to watch it, I’ve been confused as hell. Even reading the rules confuses me. But I don’t doubt it’s actually as sport. Cricket is a sport and it’s really confusing too.
There’s a simplified, and faster, version called Twenty20 cricket which I kind of understand after watching a couple of games, but I’m still relatively confused.
I want to understand cricket. Something about a sport so complicated that most of the world is totally befuddled by it, but yet it is super popular in a lot of Commonwealth countries and independent former British colonies, intrigues me. But I’ve pretty much given up.
I know about Twenty20 and, while nowhere near as bad as Test Cricket, it’s still basically bizarre baseball for damaged people pining for the “good” old days of more blatant British imperialism 😉
Btw, who the fuck calls the absolute pinnacle of excellence in their sport “test”? Ffs! 😄
I have long been puzzled by the word “Test” being used also. Best I can figure is that a Cricket match is a test of of the players know how to play correctly and a test for the fans in watching a whole match.
I assume that he’s disparaging the act that soccer players put on to act like they’re much more seriously injured than they are when fouled.
I would guess that the reason that some people really don’t like that is that in some other sports, being able to play through the pain may be considered admirable, so culture friction.
Tbh the penalties for simulation in a lot of leagues have been turning the tides on the egregious theatrics. I’d agree what you were saying was a lot more prevalent, say a decade or so ago.
You’ll still always be able to cherry pick incidents, and some leagues will be worse than others for it, but the game has moved on a bit, and you do see it way less frequently than we did even just a few years ago.
Edit: elsewhere in the thread reminded me of the other aspect of this
There’s also the tactical fouls which are (whether you agree with it or not) part of the modern game. A player can weigh up the risk of getting sent off if they think it might prevent the opposition from otherwise scoring. These kinds of fouls can look pretty cynical to those unfamiliar with it, not least of all because they tend to also be softer than genuine fouls as the players tend to not want to actually injure themselves and others. So just enough of a foul to stop play, but ideally not even pick up a yellow card, and often in this scenario if the victim of the foul clocks what’s going on, they’ll try to hit the ground harder to increase the chances the fouling player gets booked.
A player (or even team) can probably only get away with this once or twice in a game before they piss off the ref though, and players will start getting sent off. In the same vein teams want to avoid getting a reputation for it too, otherwise they’ll end up facing much closer scrutiny.
Is roller derby a real sport? I always figured it was more performance than sport like pro wrestling.
Yes, it’s a real sport.
A badass one at that. Their athleticism and reflexes are unreal.
Roller derby in the 70s was likely scripted. Modern roller derby is almost definitely not. Tons of legit athleticism and power out there.
It’s a little dated by now, but watch Blood on the Flat Track. It’s about the Roller Derby resurgence from 15ish years ago.
Even if scripted, roller derby in the 70’s took athleticisms and power. I agree the sport of roller derby is different now, but practitioners of the past deserve respect. The level of training/conditioning in all sports is very different now, does not mean past practitioners were not athletes. Comparisons across eras is difficult because standards change.
It is definitely a sport, although every time I’ve tried to watch it, I’ve been confused as hell. Even reading the rules confuses me. But I don’t doubt it’s actually as sport. Cricket is a sport and it’s really confusing too.
Is it, though? Really?
Just kidding, I know cricket is a sport. Somehow simultaneously boring and nonsensical, but a sport nonetheless 🤷
Considering Golf and Archery are considered sports as well
There’s a simplified, and faster, version called Twenty20 cricket which I kind of understand after watching a couple of games, but I’m still relatively confused.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twenty20
I want to understand cricket. Something about a sport so complicated that most of the world is totally befuddled by it, but yet it is super popular in a lot of Commonwealth countries and independent former British colonies, intrigues me. But I’ve pretty much given up.
I know about Twenty20 and, while nowhere near as bad as Test Cricket, it’s still basically bizarre baseball for damaged people pining for the “good” old days of more blatant British imperialism 😉
Btw, who the fuck calls the absolute pinnacle of excellence in their sport “test”? Ffs! 😄
I have long been puzzled by the word “Test” being used also. Best I can figure is that a Cricket match is a test of of the players know how to play correctly and a test for the fans in watching a whole match.
I’d fail that test SO hard! A single match takes up to five days with 6 hours of play each day!
That’s two and a half times as long as the LOTR extended edition, for ONE match of inbred baseball!
Don’t know why you’re being downvoted for asking an honest question. You asked it in good faith.
Starting to think you people just can’t live without having something to be angry with.
My hypothesis: corporate social media has trained us to be combative for engagement, and our habits/attitudes haven’t fully adapted to fediverse yet.
They say getting angry over imagined Internet points.
Go watch a roller derby event. It’s pretty fun and mostly chaos. But there’s some real skill and strategy involved.
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You need to watch this incredibly accurate historical movie on the topic
https://youtu.be/BB1LuCUovW4?si=evDiTyMt5sWwPRO6
Its very real Source: I’ve been officiating it for 13 years
It’s the NASCAR of women’s sport.
Pro soccer is more performance than pro wrestling but we call that a sport
There, fixed it for you.
tell me you have never watched a professional soccer game without telling me you have never watched a professional soccer game…
There’s a lotta sportsball people on here
I also feel superior to others by disparaging their hobbies.
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Not my hobby, I love sports! My Phillies have the best record in baseball right now!
Sports ball is the best ball
I assume that he’s disparaging the act that soccer players put on to act like they’re much more seriously injured than they are when fouled.
I would guess that the reason that some people really don’t like that is that in some other sports, being able to play through the pain may be considered admirable, so culture friction.
Some sports, sure. But basketball is pretty popular and it seems like a pretty good chunk of the strategy there is drawing fouls.
Tbh the penalties for simulation in a lot of leagues have been turning the tides on the egregious theatrics. I’d agree what you were saying was a lot more prevalent, say a decade or so ago.
You’ll still always be able to cherry pick incidents, and some leagues will be worse than others for it, but the game has moved on a bit, and you do see it way less frequently than we did even just a few years ago.
Edit: elsewhere in the thread reminded me of the other aspect of this
There’s also the tactical fouls which are (whether you agree with it or not) part of the modern game. A player can weigh up the risk of getting sent off if they think it might prevent the opposition from otherwise scoring. These kinds of fouls can look pretty cynical to those unfamiliar with it, not least of all because they tend to also be softer than genuine fouls as the players tend to not want to actually injure themselves and others. So just enough of a foul to stop play, but ideally not even pick up a yellow card, and often in this scenario if the victim of the foul clocks what’s going on, they’ll try to hit the ground harder to increase the chances the fouling player gets booked.
A player (or even team) can probably only get away with this once or twice in a game before they piss off the ref though, and players will start getting sent off. In the same vein teams want to avoid getting a reputation for it too, otherwise they’ll end up facing much closer scrutiny.
“culture friction” because people don’t like it when the players of a game cheat?
Far from all players do that and it’s reviled by football (as opposed to handegg) fans too, as well as against the rules of the sport.
Tell me you’ve never seen Neymar roll about on the pitch without telling me you’ve never seen Neymar rolling about on the pitch…
Fun fact: Neymar is an anomaly, not the norm. Pretending otherwise is just prejudice stemming from cherry picking and/or ignorance.
Ive never watched a professional soccer game, Ill just tell you that. But I do watch American football and enjoy playful ribbing more than you.
Ha, I knew it.