usians are the most propagandized people on earth

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    Basically anything related to Healthcare just annoys me to no end because the people who argue Healthcare use strawman en masse (mainly about part time / low wage workers) instead of actually debating real issues that affect employees like corporate culture forcing HSAs onto people who have no need for them to meet quotas (this might be tinfoil) or removing good HMO/PPO offerings for worse plans to cut costs on the employer.

    “Poor people are just straw men. The real healthcare issues are with the middle class white collar bullshit job workers and PMCs.”

    Beyond parody.

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      Literally just “I don’t believe that people outside my class exist because I don’t interact with them all the time like I do at work”

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      I hate when people act as improving the healthcare system is a “complex issue”, when pretty much every developed nation aside from the US manages to do better. It’s not even good from a “fiscally conservative” standpoint; the US has by far the highest healthcare expenditure per capita in terms of government spending alone. Yet even the (relatively) progressive politicians have to talk about additional taxes on the rich to “justify” universal healthcare or else they’ll be treated as “naive fools who think money grows on trees”.

      Why do we need to “debate real issues” when it’s plainly obvious that the American healthcare system is objectively worse than even other capitalist nations (the wealthy ones anyways) just from a basic observation? Even high-income PMC types would benefit from not having to deal with insurance and whatever. Though it sucks that in a lot of places that do have universal healthcare, politicians are actively sabotaging it to justify privatization. Comes to show that the “free market” can only “prove” it’s superiority through deception.

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      He’s halfway onto something there with the point about PPOs being cut in favor of HSAs/FSAs. Mother fucker have you thought for a moment why your company wants you to move to a shitty savings account instead of giving you actual insurance?

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      THEY HAVE AGENCY! IT’S BEING TAKEN AWAY BY FOREIGN POWERS! PINOCHET FORCED THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE INTO A STADIUM AND IMPRISONED/MURDERED THEM! HIM AND THATCHER WERE PRACTICALLY BEST FRIENDS! WE LITERALLY HAVE AUDIO PROOF OF VICTORIA NULAND CHOOSING UKRAINE’S PRIME MINISTER! WHAT THE FUCK!?

      this is literally “people can’t do bad things, it’s against the law” levels of intellectual discussion. your country being overtaken by heavily armed foreign powers like the USA? just use your agency and say “no!”

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    I like that the US defending the government of Yemen is US imperialism, and the US being against the government of Syria is US imperialism.

    “If the US projecting power halfway around the world to protect a government they like is bad, then how is the US projecting power halfway around the world to defeat a government they don’t like also bad?”

    very-intelligent

    The USA exploits the third world by trade and Cuba/Venezuela by not trading with them.

    Because Cuba and Venezuela refuse to be exploited, so they must be punished.

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      I like that the

      I like it that

      it’s ironic that

      it’s funny that

      it’s interesting that

      reddit-logo smuglords have a hard time starting sentence without such openers. smuglord

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          It like it that it’s funny that it’s ironic that different worldviews exist. I’m sorry, I hate to say it, but who hurt them? smuglord

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            Ah, my favorite is when tankies hit you with a cOhErEnT aRgUmEnT bAcKeD uP bY pRoOf. I can’t be bothered to read so I resort to kindergarten tier derision. See how silly I made them sound? smuglord

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              I like it I love it it’s funny that it’s ironic that tankies provide evidence that has a bias and a narrative, unlike CNN smuglord

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    My favorite is IMF/World Bank who are depicted as shady boggiemen that keep the world poor for America’s capitalist interests.

    Yeah they are wrong! The IMF are actually puppets of Japan as Japan donates the most to them. They are secretly trying to make imperial Japan again but through investing in developing nations! Truly evil

    I refuse to go through the mental anguish of interacting with these people, but

    1. I don’t think the Japan thing is even true, and
    2. This is a child’s understanding of the function of the IMF.
  • When it comes to debating leftists as a former leftists I like to ask them if they would choose a crony neo-feudalist system or liberal democracy on the march to socialism and eventually communism. Marx would say liberal democracy is preferable.

    As someone who selects my ideologies out of a hat I present more serious people with a false dichotomy and make assumptions about what a philosopher I’ve never read would pick.

    Why did I go there? I knew it would only make me sad visible-disgust

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    A lot is foreign policy based. I’m not going to defend the Iraq War but a lot of pro-Russia people will ignore that Russia and Iran actually supported the war in Afghanistan to the point where basically the whole world minus Pakistan was ok with the Taliban being ousted. Like, Afghanistan was already in a state of war when the US came in and helped the actual Northern Alliance reclaim power. I will say the US got a little overboard in not getting a peaceful solution to Afghanistan in 2001 after the Taliban were smashed.

    I will say the US got a little overboard in not getting a peaceful solution to Afghanistan in 2001 after the Taliban were smashed.

    a little overboard

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      Weren’t the Northern Alliance just a bunch of jumped-up warlords? Also if the Taliban were smashed, why are they in power now? Fucking fascists.

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        Oh so anybody who accidentally conducts a brutal 20 year long occupation is a fascist now? You slip up one time and kill hundreds of thousands of people because you forget what you were supposed to be doing and suddenly you’re a bad person?

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    That and all the claims about all the colour revolutions entirely infantilises Eastern Europeans, like they have zero agency

    See also, Chile, 1973.

    literal fascist apologia what-the-hell

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      also someone’s in there trying to claim that posts joking about america being like guy fieri on r/all are made by tankies who hate america wat

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      That and all the claims about all the colour revolutions entirely infantilises Eastern Europeans, like they have zero agency

      And yet they assume that Eastern Europeans are an amorphous blob that coincidentally supports everything they want to happen in the world. Even the Euromaidan “Revolution” had roughly a 50% support for either side of the conflict.

      Are the people who opposed the so-called color revolutions to be condemned for their views? They’d probably answer yes, just as every single other “enemy of freedom and civilization” they see in the world (which just so happens is people their government dislikes).

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    I had a Biden supporter try to claim I wasn’t a leftist and they were yesterday. When I brought up the stunning realization that there are people to the left of the Democratic party, they told me that Kamala harris had a voting record to the left of Bernie.