https://lemmy.world/comment/3519515
Why do libs always rush to defend abhorrent things with “🤓👆but achtually it’s technically not illegal”.
And in any case, according to the unanimous vote (sans US and Israel ofc) in the UN every year, the blockade is illegal and a violation of the UN Charter.
holy shit they’re so stupid. they really think an embargo is just one country choosing not to trade with another.
It’s funny because what they say the US isn’t doing is exactly what the US is doing.
when you learn geopolitics by playing paradox games
Legalism is the worst argument as it ignores so many factors at play, like wow. The biggest economy in the Americas is abusing their power dynamics to strangle a smaller nation at its doorstep, just because it had the gall to defy them.
And yet China is considered the worse and more evil to these people, despite not acting as bad as the US on its breakaway state on its doorstep.
If China did something like an embargo they would be yelling murder and crying crocodile tears.
China is evil because they didn’t get a septugenarian from Kansas to say that it’s legal for them to give money aid to African countries without demanding blood sacrifice.
“America can trade with whoever they want”
IT LITERALLY STOPS COUNTRIES THAT TRADED WITH CUBA FROM TRADING WITH THE USA. IF YOU DOCK A SHIP IN CUBA, THAT SHIP CAN’T BE DOCKED IN THE USA FOR ANOTHER 13 (?) MONTHS, SINCE AMERICA IS THE ECONOMIC CENTER OF GRAVITY OF THE ENTIRE WESTERN HEMISPHERE, THIS EFFECTIVELY BLOCKS CUBA FROM GETTING THINGS IT NEEDS LIKE MEDICAL EQUIPMENTS, WHILE BASICALLY THREATENING TO SABOTAGE THE ECONOMY OF ANYONE WHO TRADES WITH CUBA!!! IT’S NOT JUST AMERICA “NOT WANTING TO TRADE WITH CUBA” AS A “PROTEST” TO CUBA’S “AUTHORITARIANISM”. THE EMBARGO HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR 60 YEARS AND WAS BASICALLY AMERICA TAKING REVENGE ON CUBA FOR NATIONALIZING ITS SUGAR INDUSTRIES AND REFUSING TO BE A CASINO FOR THE AMERICAN MAFIA. WHERE ARE THESE “LEGALIST” ARGUMENTS WHEN IT COMES TO THE AMERICAN TORTURE DUNGEONS IN GUANTANAMO BAY, WHICH IS CUBAN SOVEREIGN TERRITORY AND WHICH CUBA HAS REJECTED OUTRIGHT FOR DECADES???
THE UN HAS VOTED TO END THE EMBARGO FOR 30 YEARS STRAIGHT BUT AMERICA DOESN’T CARE:
THE ONLY COUNTRY THAT SIDES WITH AMERIKKKA ON THIS IS ISNTRAEL AND (KINDA SORTA) UKKKRAINE
Thanks comrade for your measured and appropriate response.
YOU’RE WELCOME
I can’t understand Ukraine’s position on this. This was their position prior to the invasion too. It must be America simping. Most other European countries, including those that were invaded by Russia and have beef with Russia, support Cuba despite its automatic siding with Russia on every issue.
This was their position prior to the invasion too.
Ukraine got couped in 2004 first. And that’s on top of the already nationalist government from 1991. Shit politics there absolutely did not start with the current war
2014*
Nope. Here’s a link. . 2014 was a second coup. I know my history.
Correct comrade, sorry for that.
lol, even the biggest US simps in Europe like Germany, Finland and TERF Island voted to end the embargo though.
Also lots of banks/organisations are not keen to handle money for Cuba legally and above board because if they make an honest mistake somewhere they can be in a world of trouble.
So you get a Cuban agent with a briefcase full of cash to pay for a leaky boat to transport something like needles for vaccines, and then the USA is like look at these shifty deals it must be terrorist shit.
And also I don’t think the embargo is America’s worst modern crime against Cuba. Their worst crime is desecrating the pure soil of Cuba with a McDonald’s (in the illegally occupied territory/torture camp of Guantanamo Bay)
Though in good news I’m hoping to visit Cuba next summer. Any advice on visiting?
Stay in casa particulars (no hotels or resorts). Take a lot of euros or dollars with you. You can exchange the for pesos on the street for a much higher rate than at the bank. Save some of those euros/dollars for long taxi rides. Absolutely use express VPN if you intend to book buses using their viazul website. You won’t be able to pay for your bus otherwise. First thing you do when you get there is try to acquire a sim card. I would advise doing it officially and not picking one up of a street vendor as 50% of the time you’ll find the SIM gets cancelled.
Visit baracoa, viñales, Santa Clara, Santiago de Cuba, Trinidad, and Havana (both old Havana and the suburbs).
Drink a canchanchera. Go to all the local music halls you can. Drink a michelada. Smoke their cigarettes (Jesus they are good). Eat the seafood in baracoa. Dance. Try not to get too caught up in tourist traps. Talk to locals (learn more Spanish than I did). Have fun.
Thanks! I don’t get very much time off unfortunately so I will only spend a week, so probably just Havana and surrounding areas. Perhaps a train or bus ride to Santa Clara is possible. But it would be an entire days travel to the east end of the island.
yeah the US aren’t criminals, they’re very careful to pass laws to make what they want to do legal before they actually do it, you see
and sometimes they’re not careful to pass those laws first, and blatantly disregard their own laws and treaties, but it’s still the “RULES based international order” which technically is accurate because the biggest guy makes the rules. So nothing to see here!
“Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun”
- Barrack Obamna
The UN is a political organization and says whatever countries vote it to say. It’s also not a legislative organization, it’s basically a big political club of people who like to write strongly worded letters about things. Only the UNSC has teeth, and that hasn’t declared it illegal for obvious reasons.
The U.S. can veto its own condemnation, therefore the U.S. can never be condemned. Checkmate, tankies.
they’re right, “international law” is a joke that large nations use to justify their treatment of small nations, but never vice versa.
i’m a fanboy, you had me at mieville
Folks, it never fails
What’s the context? Chastising a comrade for not donating to the Dems lmao?
arguing that hexbear is using trans and gay people as a shield for, uh, conniving schemes, or something
It’s never illegal to not trade with a country
The WTO has entered the chat
The British fought China twice over this lol
The whole argument is one that works well in their head, but not in continuity of the existing world and its political conditions. The WTO example is a good one, even if OP’s point were true, then contracts created and such can still lead to stuff being effectively illegal. That they ignore the base level in addition to the WTO angle means there is no discussion with them at all.
Never mind the U.S. Control over global finance.
Hard to fight deliberate ignorance.
Opening dialogue with “Yeah. No.” will instantly make me want to bash your noggin off the sidewalk no matter what words follow it
“Yeah. No.”
Don’t listen to
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Yeah, you know what also was legal under the legal framework of the countries that did them? Fucking slavery and the Holocaust.
Cuz legality is all they got. Legalism is basically weaponized philosophy. “Sovereignty of nations” eat my fucking ass and go fuck a wall. Just go and ignore all the financial wealth Cuba has been denied for decades because of the embargo. Cruelty via indifference is still cruel. If the “rules” say something bad you don’t use it as an excuse. You don’t wallow in it like filth. You change the fucking rules.
Sovereignty of nations
What is the socialist claim for that (or the corollary of self-determination of peoples)?
If money is a form of speech, it’s actually unconstitutional to deny me the ability to purchase something. Therefore an embargo that prevents me from buying Cuban cigars is illegal.
I’m actually planning on going next summer, and the American government has a very long list of places in Cuba that it is apparently ILLEGAL for me to spend money at. (basically any Government owned place, which being a socialist nation is quite a lot) This includes basically all hotels for example.
It’s illegal for me to go to another country and spend money at a hotel, according to MY government. Land of the free lmao wtf
How about Cuba’s sovereign right to host as many nuclear weapons and missiles as it God damn wants?
