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her endorsement came before gaza right

lol. “history started on Oct 7” clowning on full display

We all know once you endorse someone you can never ever withdraw it no matter how many kids they murder. I notice you didn’t answer the question about how many dead children would be a dealbreaker for you

uh huh

What are you, goofy? Hyuck hyuck hyuck

It took you way too long to think of this response. Do you type using only your digit finger, looking for each letter every time?

twats

bitching

what a shock, the liberal is a misogynist

shes actually accomplishing something more than bitching online

Like what? What has she accomplished?

Yeah she’s accomplishing genocide, border camps with kids in cages, increased fracking, more money for police and so much more. Personally I’d rather she did nothing instead. Action for the sake of action is the ideology of a fascist, but it’s pretty clear where you’re at so that’s not surprising.

How can she accomplish anything when she has zero pull in congress? Which is it? Make up your fucking mind.

Civility!! Where are you? HELP ME!

Saudi Arabia is worse on queer rights than Iran, so you cannot critique the Ayatollah

Okay moron, give me one example of her being effective at doing anything but voting to fund genocide. You keep saying she’s effective but she hasn’t effected any change. All she’s done is give pieces of shit like you an excuse to vote for genocide.

Na, I’m just enjoying trolling you twits as much as you are me. =)

You remind me of the adage about how compulsive gamblers are, as much as anything else, addicted to losing

Na, I’m just enjoying trolling you twits as much as you are me

People responding to your arguments is in fact not trolling. The fact you take critique as a meanspirited thing is a you-issue.

she said ‘these are the things I will push for’ and if you compare what shes put forward into congress and what she said they’re actually similar.

So if you look at the responses you’ve already gotten, you know that’s a lie.

You’re making the classic mistake of blaming her for bills put forward by others.

“Please don’t blame her for things she votes on” and other silly things liberals say to defend genocidal warmongering union breakers.

Personally when something is put forward that is better than the current situation I take it. you still moved the needle, maybe not as much as you’d like but you do it.

And the day that something comes along that moves things forward, I’ll be happy to move that needle. Until then I’ll continue to not support genocide.

See above. again mistaking a vote for personal beliefs.

<- You except you’re not cute.

No, this is literally not what I’m telling you.

You’ve literally just talked about moving the needle. Which is it?

'm saying you’re going after one of 3 people who are even remotely similar to your positions (aka: anticapitalist, pro workers)

You’ve been shown a bunch of times that those are not her positions. Do better.

Its not the same as saying shes ‘pushing dems to the left’ fuck that. they’re a lost cause as a party.

You seem to be stuck on “the dems”. We are critiquing AOC and how she functions within the system.

yet you dont realize what she just demonstrated with that maneuver. sad really.

+ + sephiroth posting lmao. “You cannot comprehend the depths of her mind maze” lol you just cannot comprehend the fact that you’re cool with throwing brown children in cages and murdering palestinians and other people aren’t. I’d say it’s okay, but it’s not.

Shes literally doing exactly what you want to accomplish and you can’t even see it.

Like how she helped crush strikes or like how she helped a genocide or like how she stopped giving a shit about border camps or etc?
You people always talk in vague terms because anything specific immediately makes it obvious what your actual politics are.

Calling him “Genocide Joe” literally originated here

sadly you’re too busy attacking her than going after biden/harris/trumps/schumers/ceos.

Why would we attack those people in a thread about AOC? Do you think people are only mentally capable of holding one person in ill will? Is that the case for your mental capacity?

It really doesn’t take that much browsing to find out that we attack all of those people constantly. It’s like our second favourite thing after dunking on libs.

We were one of the first places online to be crossing our fingers that Trump had a heart attack lol. They’re not the topic of this thread.

socialism is a broad category

What’s it defined by?

You cannot be this dense

just obliviously showing your whole ass

I prefer them to be more similar to Lenin actually

Those aren’t the only options. There are more than 3 people

People should, in fact, be more similar to AOC

No, they shouldn’t be supporting genocides, invasions, incarceration and enslavement of black people, and so on, and so forth. So, no, they should not be more similar to AOC.

Yeah we see the difference dumbass, we think supporting genocide and being a comprador for the american empire is bad actually

the concepts behind communism are inherently unstable and lead to authoritarians

Unlike capitalism, which never exerts authoritarian control over anyone

I have a math PhD and actually communism is stable.

In fact I shit on it because mathematically the concepts behind communism are inherently unstable and lead to authoritarians. but you probably know this.

This is excellent tagline material. Communism mathematically defeated.

Anyway please provide a mathematical proof that Communism bad and capitalism (or whatever it is you like) is good.

Lib reinvents an even dumber version of Popperian or Randian anti-communist mathematical realism lmao

I await your proof

I have a degree in math, and I have also studied economics as part of my education. Your understanding of these topics is incredibly lacking.

Also, lol at ‘authoritarianism!!!’ coming from a person from a genocidal slaver settler-colony that is currently overtly carrying out a genocide, and which is the most prolific invader in the world.
Truly, that’s an antithesis of ‘authoritarianism’. /s

lmao check out this motherfucker…scolds us for not supporting zionism, then turns around and calls us authoritarians like it’s a bad thing. No leftist worth their salt supports the indiscriminate bombing of children or shooting up refugee camps. That means not supporting politicians like AOC who support supplying the weapons to commit war crimes.

It’s kind of silly to call our math wrong when we’re the ideology who focuses on using empiricism and the scientific method as much as possible when it comes to history, politics, and economics. The Democratic party is barely Keynesian anymore and has been moving towards Austrian economics since Clinton at the least.

Genocidal slavemaster-assed comment, don’t you have a plantation to be torturing folk on rather than running your mouth about things you clearly have a narrow settler’s scope on

Wrong + math = still wrong

In fact I shit on it because mathematically the concepts behind communism are inherently unstable and lead to authoritarians.

AHAHAHAHAHAHA Oh my god ahhh that’s fantastic, great bit sir. Sorry I was preemptive with taking you seriously, you’re really nailing the “idiot redditor” tone here, it was really obvious. My bad for not getting the bit earlier

Damn you must be really smart

Removed by mod

Thank you comrade

You could do something really funny that would have long term not funny consequences.

If you could only time it so you knew they were banned right before writing a response

I mean this earnestly when I say that part of the problem you’re having here, and will continue to have, is that you (like most liberals) have adopted a sort of gnosticism around politics and your theory of change that deals in intent, vague notions of ‘overton windows’, ‘marketplaces of ideas’, and even “her region of the idea sphere”. It’s abstraction that (conveniently for the systems that push it) can’t be properly identified, quantified, and tested.

Meanwhile, you’re trying to talk in these terms to a group of people who primarily come out of a discipline of materialist analysis. And because you so steadfastly refuse to point to concrete examples (facts, history, statistics, case studies, demonstrable social dynamics etc) even when repeatedly asked for them, it comes across as either deliberately evasive and bad faith, or like a mystic waving their arms in the air spouting rhetorical woo-woo claiming the opposite of demonstrable reality.

Does that make any sense to you? And if not, why not?

You are quite literally the strawman personified. Do you have any idea how many times each one of us has seen and had to interact with your arguments? theres a lot more liberals like you than there are communists of us. We were born from your arguments, for many of us, these were our exact talking points. Many of us were once you, we just changed when we realized it was all evil.

Yes it’s actually the people who know things who are blinded by ideology, not the subservient genocide apologists like you who are blind to their ideology

human nature

What’s human nature?

And I never said you had to like AOC, I’m saying shes literally one of the best you have in a very small group

Cool. She’s one of the ‘best’ in a nazi government. Now what? In what way does that make her our ally when all she does is fight against us?

if you want to move the window towards your world view you need to support people like her

And you have what evidence to back up this claim, exactly?

in order to acclimate the population your views. AKA: normalize shooting of CEOs.

Notably, the shooting of one CEO did much more to normalise that than everything that AOC has done.

Sadly your too much of a ideologue to recognize the facets of human nature you need to leverage to actually get the outcome you desire.

You are making a lot of evidence-less claims.

Comparable doesn’t mean similar you dolt

“hEr ReGiOn oF tHe iDeA sPhErE”

lmao. the ideology expert has logged on