Even if the schools are passing kids despite not being able to read

And schools should always pass kids. The body of literature, theory and experiments in that regard for teaching education in Europe is quite extensive. If your society is structured around passing grades then the way to built up on the ability of students isn’t to force them for years in the same rooms, but to change what they experience, keep up the social links and give specific support.

Besides that even if a school isn’t able to give specific support it is better for kids to not be put in repeating classes.

What you write is true though, having cultural attitudes at home that do sometimes center books are great. They ought to be somewhat supplemented even for kids that are praised as being smart with other things, that are beneficial for social and physical aspects. If your kid likes a certain series, try to enable the kid to visit a fan conference about it or alike.

Just like in Le Guin’s Earth Sea, one of the most important lessons for the young magician’s apprentice wasn’t to control magic. It was to chill under trees and find calm as well as connection in nature.

she took my bookcase away, leaving me with a TV that sat unused

My intuition suggests that this contravenes the United Nations Universal Declaration of Human Rights, Article 26.

when I got in trouble one time she took my bookcase away,

Giga Chad mom casually lifting up an entire book case and moving it out of your room.

tbh i still wouldnt take away the bookcase, if anything i might swap the books out for more boring educational ones.

We’re gonna start seeing Playskool babies’ first parcel scanner toys soon.

Making everyone desperate and afraid seems to be working wonders! Capitalism is so cool

That’s why I personally don’t want to have kids. Considering the state of labor in the west, how are parents supposed to be able to spend time with their kids? Granted when I was growing up, my mom always stayed at home because she could. She didn’t have to work because my dad made more than enough to provide for a family on a single income (pre-2008 recession).

Stay at home moms have to be hella rare in this age of rampant exploitation, so I have no idea how kids are being raised. Add on the fact that there’s no guaranteed parental leave in and I’m at a complete loss

in this case it’s also rich kids. teachers/schools bought into the hype at all levels despite governments telling them no stop. the difference is the rich kids can afford private tutors when their parents realize they can’t read.

hmmm…I definitely am on the side that a functional democratic society requires literacy at high levels. Look at all the Communist countries for which one of the very first initiatives was literacy campaigns.

There probably is a reasonable argument to be made about it being very difficult to make reasonable democratic decisions if a person can’t read and therefore can’t seek information and views outside their immediate social circle.

Of course, also not surprising that some people would interpret that as “Afghans stupid.”

Could he read Persian?

MILLENNIA of funny SQUIGGLES on stone tablets, papyrus, and PAPER

There are only THREE sounds in the word “EIGHT”, why are there FIVE letters???

They have played us for FOOLS

if so based

I have heard this anecdotally. That Zoomers don’t really know how to use like actual computers that well. I think when I was in high school ('10 to '13) having like a personal lap top and using it for everything Including school was more of a thing. Smart phones weren’t quite as ubiquitous people still did a lot of social media and stuff on an actual computer. Now social media and casual internet browsing and media consumption are so accessible through a phone that kids aren’t really having to use as much computer stuff. I barely use actual computers except for gaming and photo editing. Like how many Zoomers do you think know what the Command Prompt is and does, ya know. I’d guess not a lot.

Depends. If we mean “without a personal teacher” sure, but no one is looking at a book of a language the don’t know and just suddenly learning it.

i would call that “I taught myself how to lie”.

How did you do it? What resources did you have, and how old were you?

you’ve used the word taught, which implies reasoning. which is by definition not intuitive. reading was never innate to you or anyone else.

it’s the vibes, the vibes are seriously off

It’s almost ironic because literacy is what created a caste of liberals within the USSR and China that turns up to be more pro-western post 80s.

Don’t you love how ‘’‘totalitarian’‘’ regimes just like to sabotage themselves

You’ll think that people look at public services like education as a product are stupid but we all know deep inside that the commodification of education has the end goal of making more divisive with premium private education for the elite and the bare minimal for the ‘‘public’’ education (which can be run by religious institution just like the good olde days).

Ultimately this is just a way to stratify society with more defined castes

Charter schools are stupid because it’s never about education. We all know what they do with ‘‘problematic’’ students.

This is just a last filter before dumping the leftover into military school in this shitty Folgers coffee called the privatized education system

Gates isn’t some scheming evil supermind. He’s just a clueless mf in a vile system, thinking he’s doing good.

Godot vs Superman: Infinity Wait.

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Might be dating myself but I had this “hooked on phonics” kit with flashcards, reading games, a set of VHS tapes with activities & such that I would practice with my parents - before school as well. Your comment actually dredged that up from my memory lmao

Aw yeah, the only reason we would ever fund the arts is either for para-military parades or anti-communusm.

Honestly, with my personal experience I am surprised it is even that high. I would personally guess more around 70% - 75%, with some rural areas dipping as low as 65% - 70%.

this one?

You can look at any existing socialist country— if you don’t want to call them socialist, call them whatever you want. Post capitalist— whatever, I don’t care. Call them camels or window shades, it doesn’t matter as long as we know the countries we’re talking about. If you look at any one of those countries, you can evaluate them in several ways. One is comparing them to what they had before, and that to me is what’s very compelling. That’s what so compelling about Cuba, for instance. When I was in Cuba I was up in the Escambia, which is like the Appalachia of Cuba, very rugged mountains with people who were poor, or they were. And I said to this campesino, I said, “Do you like Fidel?” and he said “Si si, with all my soul.” I remember this gesture, with all our souls. I said “Why?” and he pointed to this clinic right up on the hill which we had visited. He said, “Look at that.” He said “Before the revolution, we never saw a doctor. If someone was seriously ill, it would take twenty people to carry that person, it’d go day and night. It would take two days to get to the hospital. First because it was far away and second because you couldn’t go straight, you couldn’t cross the latifundia lands, the boss would kill you. So, you had to go like this, and often when we got to the hospital, the person might be dead by the time we got there. Now we have this clinic up here with a full-time doctor. And today in Cuba when you become a doctor you got to spend two years out in the country, that’s your dedication to the people. And a dentist that comes one day a week. And for serious things, we’re not more than 20 minutes away from a larger hospital. That’s in the Escambia. So that’s freedom. We’re freer today, we have more life.” And I talked to a guy in Havana who says to me “All I used to see here in Havana, you call this drab and dull, we see it as a cleaner city. It’s true, the paint is peeling off the walls, but you don’t see kids begging in the streets anymore and you don’t see prostitutes.” Prostitution used to be one of the biggest industries. And today this man is going to night school. He said “I could read! I can read, do you know what it means to be able to read? Do you know what it means to be able not to read?” I remember when I gave my book to my father. I dedicated a book of mine to him, “Power and the Powerless” to my father, I said “To my father with my love,” I gave him a copy of the book, he opened it up and looked at it. He had only gone to the seventh grade, he was the son of an immigrant, a working-class Italian. He opens the book and he starts looking through it, and he gets misty-eyed, very misty-eyed. And I thought it was because he was so touched that his son had dedicated a book to him. That wasn’t the reason. He looks up to me and he says ‘I can’t read this, kid” I said “That’s okay dad, neither can the students, don’t worry about that. I mean I wrote it for you, it’s your book and you don’t have to read it. It’s a very complicated book, an academic book. He says, “I can’t read this book.” And the defeat. The defeat that man felt. That’s what illiteracy is about, that’s what the joy of literacy programs is. That’s why you have people in Nicaragua walking proud now for the first time. They were treated like animals before, they weren’t allowed to read, they weren’t taught to read. So, you compare a country from what it came from, with all it’s imperfections. And those who demand instant perfection the day after the revolution, they go up and say “Are there civil liberties for the fascists? Are they gonna be allowed their newspapers and their radio programs, are they gonna be able to keep all their farms? The passion that some of our liberals feel, the day after the revolution, the passion and concern they feel for the fascists, the civil rights and civil liberties of those fascists who are dumping and destroying and murdering people before. Now the revolution has gotta be perfect, it’s gotta be flawless. Well that isn’t my criteria, my criteria is what happens to those people who couldn’t read? What happens to those babies that couldn’t eat, that died of hunger? And that’s why I support revolution. The revolution that feeds the children gets my support. Not blindly, not unqualified. And the Reaganite government that tries to stop that kind of process, that tries to keep those people in poverty and illiteracy and hunger, that gets my undiluted animosity and opposition.

—Michael Parenti

It’s hard if they don’t realise storytelling is a performing art and you’re communicating the book to the child, not to yourself, so you have to send the images in your head to the child.

I haven’t listened to the podcast but English as the language theyre learning has gotta add a whole other level of difficulty. Like Spanish you know the vowel sounds are all the same, Norwegian updates their spelling so that it always matches the actual pronunciation, Korean literally puts how to say the word symbolically in each part of a character, Japanese hiragana and katakana is always the same, Cree syllabics are one-to-one (although it was designed that way intentionally), the only other ones that’d be hard is like Chinese or Japanese Kanji and stuff like that but those usually have a pronounciation hint character/radicle in their as well.

English is like that but with wildly different rules on top of bad pedagogy, yikes.

the problem seems to be that a lot of kids are being taught a fundamentally incorrect method of how to decode written language that’s making it much harder for them to read that it otherwise should be

While I accept that it could be the case here - and having read up a bit on it rings true - there is a real danger of “educated” people often liberal with a slight to conservative or neoliberal, to tell people how education really works and that alternatives are wrong or false, often on grounds that are very flimsy or completely propagandistic.

The classism aspect in such things is something I look for first (with keeping other -isms in mind). Then of course there is the aspect of culture and financing. But before I look into that I try to look at how the things we talk about are used as a filter and their surrounding structures are. Only then at earliest I tend to look into effects claimed to be there (and think about how they could be disproved and what influences were missed).

For example institutions for

The point is inclusion is important and the more common system has to adapt. Financing schools in the USA is faulty in any case and how they are and how political they are lead is another big problem, besides them functioning as child care and education for factory workers, instead of what they could be.

that’s the chaser that lets you know it’s not a bit and therefore even funnier in a twisted way

It’s the Biden explanation for why poor kids aren’t as smart as white kids™. According to Biden you need to leave the record player on at night to help develop your childrens’ vocabulary.