internet weirdo invents new irreconcilable political position, demands people yell at them
tale as old as time
I mean, plenty of communists (including here) support Russia’s anti-imperialist goals against NATO. The idea that countries like Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan and Syria deserve to be bombed because they are socially conservative is simply ridiculous.
Besides, the idea that progressive and LGBT movements can only happen by aligning with the Western bloc is quite frankly, chauvinist. Look at Cuba - 50 years of isolation from Western imperialism and still able to develope a progressive culture more than anything America and Europe can pretend to be.
If anything, US/NATO imperialism has directly resulted in the oppression and murder of far too many progressive movements across the developing world, more than anything Russia can ever hope to achieve, which led to the rise of conservative governments in those countries in the first place.
This is why Mao stressed so much about identifying the principal contradiction, because without which you will always play into the hands of perpetuating capitalism and imperialism.
I agree with what you’re saying, but the person who posted that is definitely an internet weirdo begging to be yelled at
Can action against imperialist states be anti-imperialist if the result of victory in that action is growing your own empire?
on paper no, but any action against American hegemony is net anti-imperialist. America just is that bad.
Fair enough
There’s only one empire on earth currently
The empire died over a century ago
when your empire is a lot smaller and weaker, I would argue so. less leverage to subjugate people.
I mean, Russia isn’t creating an empire, so it’s a moot point
this is perfect. I was scrolling wondering what to even say about this. Glad you nailed it and saved me from whatever i was going to put togetherMany Such Cases!
It is but thesis meeting antithesis and forming synthesis.
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You’re getting spit all over me
The liberals reading this with a
expression feel exactly the same way as I do whenever I see lgbt people supporting capitalism.Okay, hear me out - rainbow imperialism
What does lgbtq have to do with capitalism?
Not just lgbtq but all marginalised people. Capitalists are incentivised to create and exploit marginalised people under capitalism. They are not incentivised to solve marginalisation because marginalised people have conditions that make them easier to exploit for lower wages and worse conditions.
Whether it’s patriarchy which has always held 50% of the population as property of men for free labour and exploitation, or more recently the gender wage gap. Or whether it’s racism, where the marginalised suffer worse conditions, maltreatment, poor wages and a tougher time. Or whether it’s lgbtq people where their marginalisation has a 22% wage/earnings gap with hetero/cis people. (don’t get me started on sex work or being trans and renting or applying for jobs)
Capitalists gain from exploitation of marginalised groups. You will not liberate any marginalised group fully under a system incentivised to exploit others as marginalised people are ripe for exploitation. If you do liberate one group they are incentivised to create another or shift the burden to an existing one.
The liberation of marginalised people can only come with liberation from a system incentivised to create marginalised people. Various pressures we create achieve concessions for marginalised groups but that’s all they will ever be, concessions to prevent us overturning the system entirely.
Oh yeah, I forgot that there are no marginalized people in non-capitalist countries. /s
Not at all like the hundreds of millions of rural, uneducated, Chinese people trapped with low incomes due to decades of discriminatory policies that left them with no means of social mobility. Minorities like Mongols, Tibetans, and Uyghurs suffer and the women even worse. The government is not incentivized to make life any better for them.
I’m not trying to say one country or system is better than another, my point is simply that human rights violations can happen regardless of government structure.
Your first and last statements are good, there’s truth in them. But the whole middle bit reeks of misinformation.
I can find a ton of international sources backing up my claims. Here is one from London referencing a report authored by Chinese students and scholars.
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/229019-china-minority-exclusion-marginalization-and
Gay men in the us earn more than similarly qualified straight men. This suggest it has more to do with gender identity specifically, rather than lgbtq broadly.
That article specifically says “Men in same-sex marriages”. I feel like “openly gay men who are married” rules out a lot of poor people.
Doesn’t take away from the point about the gender pay gap though.
Apologies if I’m missing it, but it looks like the claim isn’t specific to men in same-sex marriages.
“Individual gay men earn 10% more than straight men with similar education, experience and job profiles,[2][3] and individual gay men who are married have a significantly higher median income than heterosexual married men.[4]”
I read this as unmarried gay men make 10% more than unmarried straight men, and the number is even higher than 10% for those who are married.
a large part of the origin of queerphobia is the rise of capitalism. the shift to the bourgeois-proletariat class separation and especially industrial revolution created the conditions for it. capitalists pushed the family unit, imposed on each worker, consisting of one man, one woman, and several children, to have efficient reproduction for more workers. this pushed specific gender roles for men and women, and then the (often violent) repression of people who fell outside of that standard family unit, such as trans, gender-nonconforming, or homosexual people. this is why bourgeois oppression is interlinked with queerphobia and cishetero oppression and the necessary route for queer liberation is through the destruction of the force that originally brought much of it.
this reminds me of a few days ago where i saw a post where someone put their oc with a trans black sun and said “there’s like no trans fash art so i made my own” like wow i wonder why
what do you mean people whose entire political ideology is based on being bigoted reactionary shitheads don’t have trans artIt exists, but it’s all hentai.
Trans Ernst Rohm.
4chan and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race
🇷🇺 versus 🇺🇦 is the modern peak of
I could almost admire it if this guy was trying to piss off literally everyone, but i feel this isn’t that deliberate
Do rainbow-washing Azov next
How long do you think before some lib unironically posts a rainbow black sun?
They probably already have somewhere
I’m sure it’s already in the middle of happening
death in june beat you to it
thanks i hate it
step away from the lathe you monster
Plain and simple
You don’t have to agree with Russia’s domestic policies to be in favor of their victory on the geopolitical stage against NATO. Ain’t nothing wrong with the image in the OP. Z
Then just post a Z instead of putting it on a trans flag when they just made trans care illegal. Just as cringe, or possibly marginally more cringe, as making a trans American flag
I think their point is that it’s a Z and not the Russian tricolor (not sure how you’d make the latter a rainbow anyway), i.e. an endorsement of the campaign specifically and not the state generally.
I still think OOP is goofy because neither the Russians nor the Ukronazis are fighting to protect or advance trans rights, but I don’t think it’s exactly as bad as using the flag of a queer-phobic state, be it Russia, Ukraine, or America.
So it would be more like putting trans colors on a US challenge coin about attacking an even worse country, still pretty odd
Russia has risen to a sacred fight to protect its sovereignty and security. We will always support the decisions of President Putin and the Russian leadership … and we will be together in the fight against imperialism.
-Kim Jong Un
The US has never been anti-imperialist. What is your westoid obsession with projecting your own sins on your enemies?
The US has never been anti-imperialist
What are we pretending my position is next
Edit: thanks for saying disengage, it’s a good idea, bye
If we just imagined there was a country (or section of a country) that the US taking over would actually make things better for . . . sure? But there hasn’t been one of those since 1945, and even then the US made sure to minimize the good it did by giving amnesty to heinous war criminals.
So yeah that’s a good example, I could use the logo from like a US WWII regiment to make fun of some Nazis they killed, but I wouldn’t put like black nationalist colors or LGBT colors on the logo when it was whites-only and discharged gay people
That’s a bit of a contortion since “Z” is not a regiment. Using some sort of black liberationist symbol in conjunction with a more general symbol from the US attack on the Nazis seems, well, a little odd since it was a segregated military as you say, but nonetheless had black soldiers triumphing over Nazis who would have them enslaved or murdered. I suppose Azov isn’t likely being all that nice to trans people, but I’ve seen zero reporting on that topic.
Yeah that’s fair, it’s hard to find an equivalent of the Z in other contexts, it’s a weirdly used symbol
The American Flag is the flag of a fascist imperialist power. It’s a Nazi flag. No it’s not “just as cringe”. What “Z” and the anti-imperialist multipolar struggle represents is not “just as bad” as fucking AMERICA.
I thought this place was finally past the both sides bullshit, but it seems continually mired here.
Russia is run by America’s goon squad and aren’t anti-imperialist, they’re just anti the biggest empire, sure the balance of power says to fight the biggest and worst one but that doesn’t make the type of shit in the OP any less stupid. Iran is far better than either of those countries and they have an even more justified and important struggle against the US but would you slap them on a rainbow flag? If fuckin like, Uganda or Saudi started blocking oil to America you could praise that without making it seem like they’re compatible with gay and trans rights.
It being marginally more cringe isn’t because Russia has marginally worse effects on the world, it absolutely doesn’t, it’s marginally more cringe because it’s more opposed specifically to freedom of gender expression and sexuality.
Speaking before the meeting, Kim said: “Russia has risen to a sacred fight to protect its sovereignty and security. We will always support the decisions of President Putin and the Russian leadership … and we will be together in the fight against imperialism.”
Kim Jong Un, who knows better than you what is and what is not imperialism.
Russia serves America? Russia is the main force on Earth combatting America. Look to comrade KJU, you are out of line and making a common chauvinist error of both sidesism
“Z” specifically symbolized a struggle against NATO. It doesn’t represent the nation of Russia. Z is a good and based symbol.
Russia serves America?
This makes it seem like you don’t know what I mean but I think you do know what I mean
I think you’re just yet another westerner who can’t get on the correct side of the line
Ok so you definitely don’t. Ok then
Edit: Gladly. Disengaged.
I really hope this is a bit
Z
right to exist
This is quite a bit difference than saying “I 100% support the current government of this nation and everything it does”
The image is cringe as fuck though.
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This makes as much sense as the pride/Ukraine flags I’ve seen some internet idiots bandy 'round (zero).
Both sides in this war are queerphobic states and you aren’t gonna be able to reconcile that with queer identity.
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are both transphobic hellholes, along with 
It’s a real shame, I wonder what the Soviet Union would be like in relation to the LGBT community if it still existed today. AES countries like Vietnam and Cuba became friendly and supportive towards the lgbtq+ community after the 90s.
Both Vietnam and Cuba fought the empire and won. The post-Soviet states haven’t had their victory against the empire yet.
Cuba well before the 90s, they were sending doctors in the 80s to the DDR to learn how to do gender affirming surgery and handling the HIV crisis more humanely and less discriminatorily.
Idk seems like this is specifically in the context of the war because of the Z?
I mean so many trans people here also support Stalin, USSR, China, Laos, DPRK, Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq, Syria, Libya etc. in their wars
Only difference between Russia and the other capitalist anti-queer countries is that Russia is the only one not yet flattened into the ground so it feels weird for people influenced by a culture that associates weakness with moral purity, strength with evil, and the underdog being a hero to support Russia in the same way
Charitably I’ll assume the individual being dunked on has performed their own evaluation of “things” and determined that multi-polar imperialism is still better than US-dominated imperialism, because at least there’s not an even more entrenched monopoly over the world.
It’s not like a modern neoliberal market hellhole state like Russia is going to liberalize on marginalized communities any time soon. The economic gears only grind harder from here, with the hard stops created by climate change on the horizon, so it’s unlikely at least.
We can’t ignore history though. The context of modern Russia and other states is our world’s history. The one where Western capitalists were unrelenting, reinvesting wealth stolen from revolutionary countries into their destruction. The one where “human rights concerns” were used only to justify sanctions against and invasions of countries already embattled for decades. It’s one thing to pressure a nation on these issues, but it’s a whole other thing to use people inside those societies to destabilize them and then weaponize capitalist owned press to browbeat those countries for “authoritarian” responses.
capitalist anti-queer countries
That’s all of em, bud.
US legalized gay marriage tho*
*Don’t look at what it’s doing to trans people
US legalized gay marriage for now
How did it legalise it nationwide? Referendum? A bill passed through both houses?
[Checking my notes] oh arbitrary ruling by a handful of lifetime appointed judicial elites that could be easily reversed with a conservative majority…
Addendum: said handful of lifetime appointed judicial elites have recently said that that right is up for review, along with everything from sodomy decriminalization to the existence of no-fault divorce.
Like fuck had it even been an Executive order that would establish why it is important to vote for a president, but it’s basically oh you get gay-marriage if the stars align properly and these people retire or die within these years etc.
Libs need to understand, De Jure support is of limited in use if you allow far-right paramilitaries to fester in your population.
Noooo we can’t crack down on them what about their freedom of speecherino???
(We’ll happily ostracize, jail, and kill communists though)
Like, flying pride flags are nice and all but I need someone to scatter the Heritage Foundation and Focus on the Family to the four winds
It’s still cringe on an aesthetic level. If you’re going to combine the trans flag and the Z, at least do what they do with the ribbon of St. George like this only with the trans colors instead.
Yeah I don’t see China compiling lists of trans people or banning trans healthcare. Nor do I see massive reactionary backlash over trans people existing. The worst I’ve heard is that the legal procedure to change genders is convoluted(still bad).
That’s why I partitioned the latter part into Russia and the other capitalist anti-queer countries in that list
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